# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1916
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38305 "2019-10-30T21:08:17Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > It probably won’t surprise you, but the reason is \*really \*fucking dumb. Here’s the whole chain of “reasoning” : … > I did warn you it was very dumb. Yeah, it is fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38306 "2019-10-30T21:14:54Z")
MRA? Moron Republicans of America? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38307 "2019-10-30T22:04:01Z")
Men’s Rights Assholes, I believe. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38308 "2019-10-30T22:29:20Z")
Advocates, but yeah. I actually shouldn’t have used that as the umbrella term for the whole cesspool of misogyny and hate that is the “manosphere”, but there’s large areas of overlap in that rich tapestry of various vibrant flavours of shit-headery. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38309 "2019-10-30T23:24:15Z")
10/30/19 Former individual 1 campaign staffer says that Individual 1 should release the tapes of Obama conversations with world leaders. > **[Top Trump 2016 Aide Urges POTUS to Release Obama Calls With World Leaders](https://www.newsweek.com/trump-campaign-david-bossie-obama-calls-white-house-ukraine-1468624)** > > The former deputy manager of the Trump campaign deflected from the House impeachment inquiry's focus on President Donald Trump's call with Ukraine's leader. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2019, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38310 "2019-10-30T23:29:08Z")
This is the same guy that scammed the elderly Trump supporters out of cash, right? ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38311 "2019-10-31T00:17:03Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > I did warn you it was very dumb. I actually feel stupider after following that logic. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38312 "2019-10-31T01:11:06Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Advocates, but yeah. I actually shouldn’t have used that as the umbrella term for the whole cesspool of misogyny and hate that is the “manosphere”, but there’s large areas of overlap in that rich tapestry of various vibrant flavours of shit-headery. A good umbrella term for all those people: “insecure.” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38313 "2019-10-31T02:22:53Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Kobal2 View Post > > It probably won’t surprise you, but the reason is really fucking dumb. Here’s the whole chain of “reasoning” : … > > I did warn you it was very dumb. > > Yeah, it is fucking stupid. True. But mad props to **Kobal2** for the eminently readable and entertaining explication. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38314 "2019-10-31T04:49:52Z")
10/30/19 Donnie Junior: “I wish my name was Hunter Biden. I could go abroad, make millions off of my father’s presidency. I would be a really rich guy.” > **[Trump Jr. To Hannity: I 'Could Make Millions' If My Name Was Hunter Biden](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jr-tells-hannity-i-wish-my-name-was-hunter-biden-so-i-could-make-millions-off-my-1468843)** > > "I would be a really rich guy," Donald Trump Jr. said. "It would be incredible." ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38315 "2019-10-31T05:36:52Z")
Congratulations Nationals! I guess Trump is going to get his big Washington DC parade after all. Will he attend, I wonder? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38316 "2019-10-31T07:11:09Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > 10/30/19 > Donnie Junior: “I wish my name was Hunter Biden. I could go abroad, make millions off of my father’s presidency. I would be a really rich guy.” > [Donald Trump Jr. Tells Hannity: 'I Wish My Name Was Hunter Biden' so 'I Could Make Millions Off My Father's Presidency'](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jr-tells-hannity-i-wish-my-name-was-hunter-biden-so-i-could-make-millions-off-my-1468843) Ah, I see the spawn has met Karl Rove. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38317 "2019-10-31T08:04:06Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Congratulations Nationals! I guess Trump is going to get his big Washington DC parade after all. Will he attend, I wonder? There will be a parade in Washington DC, but Trump won’t attend. Not after the boos he received in Game 5 in Washington. Trump will schedule a rally in a red state, on the same day as the Washington parade; then claim that he had better attendance at his rally than the Nationals got in Game 5. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38318 "2019-10-31T08:21:12Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > - I forgot to mention that of course MRAs are completed retarded about basic biology as well and view testosterone as The Good Manly Hormone and estrogen as The Bad Cuntwhore Hormone, despite the fact that both are present in both sexes and express themselves differently. They are positively obsessed about upping their testosterone levels and comparing it with one another as some kind of masculinity score, which is also completely stupid from a medical standpoint. > - But phytoestrogens have nothing to do with \*actual \*estrogen. They’re similar in chemical composition & structures, but that means fuck all in terms of their effect. In fact, testosterone (and other androgens) and estrogens are all steroids, so again they have similar composition and structures. Steroids do all kinds of stuff, including serve as a structural component in cellular walls (cholesterol; yes, that molecule your doctor watches like a hawk). ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38319 "2019-10-31T11:00:35Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > 10/30/19 > Former individual 1 campaign staffer says that Individual 1 should release the tapes of Obama conversations with world leaders. > [Ex-Trump Campaign Aide David Bossie Urges President to Release Obama's Calls With World Leaders](https://www.newsweek.com/trump-campaign-david-bossie-obama-calls-white-house-ukraine-1468624) “Just an idea,” [tweeted](https://twitter.com/David_Bossie/status/1189375292596539392) David Bossie, president of the conservative activist group Citizens United and a trusted friend of President Donald Trump. “@realDonaldTrump should consider releasing President Obama’s phone conversations with world leaders. Say the one with Iran before the pallets of cash boarded the plane.” Dear Republican Dipshit (apologies for the redundant nature of my salutation), Sure, Buddy. Hey by the way, were there any listeners to the call who were alarmed by what they heard, and took those concerns to their bosses? Fucking shit for brains. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38320 "2019-10-31T12:27:25Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > 10/30/19 > Donnie Junior: “I wish my name was Hunter Biden. I could go abroad, make millions off of my father’s presidency. I would be a really rich guy.” > [Donald Trump Jr. Tells Hannity: 'I Wish My Name Was Hunter Biden' so 'I Could Make Millions Off My Father's Presidency'](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-jr-tells-hannity-i-wish-my-name-was-hunter-biden-so-i-could-make-millions-off-my-1468843) No way he said that with a straight face. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38321 "2019-10-31T12:49:23Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > No way he said that with a straight face. I’m starting to think the fucking idiot is on the spectrum. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38322 "2019-10-31T12:56:59Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > No way he said that with a straight face. Gail Stanwyk : I’m very flattered, but I’m also very married. You are trying to hit on me, aren’t you? Fletch : How did you guess? I’m such a heel. I don’t know what came over me. Gail Stanwyk : If I had a nickel for every one of Alan’s flyboy buddies who tried to pick me up, I’d be a rich woman. Fletch : You are a rich woman. Gail Stanwyk : See what I mean? ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38323 "2019-10-31T14:46:07Z")
Why didn’t Trump know that Alexander Vindman was his top expert on the Ukraine? The surprising answer: > [@](#): > > After Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s inauguration in May, Vindman was eager to brief Donald Trump on the implications of the change in leadership in Kyiv. Politico reported, however, on why that did not happen. > [H]e was instructed “at the last second” not to attend the debriefing, Vindman told lawmakers, because Trump’s advisers worried it might confuse the president: Trump believed at the time that Kashyap Patel, a longtime Nunes staffer who joined the White House in February and had no discernible Ukraine experience or expertise, was actually the NSC’s top Ukraine expert instead of Vindman. > > Vindman testified that he was told this directly by his boss at the time, NSC senior director for European and Russian affairs Fiona Hill. > > It’s an amazing dynamic, which helps shed new light on just how dysfunctional Trump’s West Wing is. If the National Security Council’s top Ukrainian expert briefed the president, Trump might have become “confused” – not by the information Vindman was sharing, but by the fact that the president was under the impression that an entirely different person was the White House’s top Ukrainian expert. > > That other person, Kashyap Patel, is an acolyte of Republican Rep. Devin Nunes, and according to Vindman, Patel “misrepresented” himself to Trump in order to help guide the White House’s policy toward Ukraine. > > No wonder the president has “never even heard of” Alexander Vindman. If he’d walked into the Oval Office and introduced himself as Trump’s top Ukrainian expert, the president would’ve wondered what happened to the other guy. > **[The steps Team Trump will take to avoid 'confusing the president'](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-steps-team-trump-will-take-avoid-confusing-the-president-msna1297736)** > > At least we now know why Trump, who's been deeply engaged on U.S. policy toward Ukraine for months, did not know his own top Ukrainian expert. The middle portion is quoted from _Politico_, which also has this nugget: > [@](#): > > Vindman also testified that he was told Patel had been circumventing normal NSC process to get negative material about Ukraine in front of the president, feeding Trump’s belief that Ukraine was brimming with corruption and had interfered in the 2016 election on behalf of Democrats. > > That upset Vindman, along with Hill and Bolton, he testified, because they were constantly having to counter that narrative with the president. [https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/30/nunes-acolyte-misrepresented-himself-to-trump-as-ukraine-expert-061763](https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/30/nunes-acolyte-misrepresented-himself-to-trump-as-ukraine-expert-061763) ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38324 "2019-10-31T14:49:23Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I’m starting to think the fucking idiot is on the spectrum. Certainly from the shallow end of the gene pool. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1915) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1917)