# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 192
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3821 "2017-05-01T20:14:20Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I’m always amazed at how readily even a Super Christian will lie for purely earthly gains. Lying doesn’t bother Super Christians in the least: they can easily convince themselves that their lies advance God’s Plan. (Naturally, they never question their own conviction that _they_ are the best arbiters of what God’s Plan actually is.) > [@Bayard](#): > > … Of all of the things Trump has said, this one may be the most insanely delusional and egotistical. I’m pretty sure that lots of people before Trump have asked why there was a Civil War and if it could have been prevented. My impression is that Trump’s question: > [@](#): > > People don’t realize, ya know, you think about it – why? People don’t ask that question, but why was there the Civil War? Why could that one not have been worked out? …did not reveal his ignorance of the reason the Civil War was fought (slavery), but instead was Trump’s suggestion that _slavery wasn’t so bad and no war needed to be fought over it._ Trump was saying, I believe, something along the lines of ‘the blacks had it so good and were so well cared for-- why change that? Couldn’t it have been worked out to leave things that way?’ I can’t offer a citation in support of this impression I have; but I wouldn’t be surprised if future Tweets and remarks might strengthen this interpretation of Trump’s words. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3822 "2017-05-01T20:25:17Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Trump had probably never heard of Andrew Jackson until Bannon brought him up. Maybe he thought the “Civil” part of Civil War meant it was some kind of a domestic disturbance. If Bannon’s his only source of American history, Bannon probably left out all the slavery stuff. Trump just relies on generic rhetoric to fake his way through shit and becomes all indignant and surprised when somebody dares to fact check. > > Wonder if anybody’s suggested watering the crops with Gatorade? Andrew Jackson was a great, great man. Big, fantastic heart. Jackson once walked from South Carolina to Oklahoma and left a trail of tears the whole way because he cared so much about ending slavery. And the Civil War, which people don’t know was very, very complicated. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3823 "2017-05-01T20:38:10Z")
For the short clip reaction part of the thread, here’s my 13 seconds: [The Most Dramatic Scene in Film History - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdeV5-x3lZA) Re: Andrew Jackson, whatever his faults (and they were many), he was a staunch Unionist and when South Carolina tried out the idea of “nullification” (in effect, a state could ‘nullify’ (ignore) laws made by the Federal Government, he threatened to lead the troops himself into Carolina if necessary. Wonder if Trump knows that…somehow I doubt it. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3824 "2017-05-01T20:38:56Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > In its timely wisdom, The Atlantic has addressed the question, “Why Was There a Civil War?” > > The article begins: > > Would someone kindly forward this link to The Donald? Probably should include a glossary listing the big words. The ending of that article is wonderful: > [@The Atlantic](#): > > There are some conflicts that a leader cannot suppress, no matter how strong he may be; some deals that should not be struck, no matter how alluring they may seem. > > This was the great moral truth on which the Republican Party was founded. > > Perhaps most people don’t know that. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3825 "2017-05-01T20:48:59Z")
For a moment of comic relief, McDonald’s introduces [fry-fork utensil](http://www.nrn.com/marketing/mcdonald-s-introduces-fry-fork-utensil-new-sandwiches) with new sandwiches. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3826 "2017-05-01T21:02:26Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Andrew Jackson was a great, great man. Big, fantastic heart. Jackson once walked from South Carolina to Oklahoma and left a trail of tears the whole way because he cared so much about ending slavery. And the Civil War, which people don’t know was very, very complicated. Who knew the Civil War was so complicated? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3827 "2017-05-01T21:57:05Z")
Oh goodie. [North Korea Fires ANOTHER Ballistic Missile](http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/28/breaking-north-korea-tests-fires-another-ballistic-missile-video/). ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3828 "2017-05-01T22:01:55Z")
psst, that was Friday last. Who knew missile timelines could be so complicated? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3829 "2017-05-01T22:18:37Z")
Didn’t Jackson die in 1845? So, in Trump’s “what-if” fantasy, Jackson would not only have had to have been President later, but would have needed to stay alive an extra twenty years? ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3830 "2017-05-01T22:28:24Z")
This admin already has weird comments on the Holocaust and the Civil War. What’s next? “When it comes to Christianity, no one ever stops to ask the obvious question, you know, (((who))) killed Jesus Christ?” ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3831 "2017-05-01T22:34:57Z")
Barabbas could have stopped it. He had a big heart. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3832 "2017-05-01T23:03:09Z")
Just wait until Trump asks “Remember when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?” He heard it in a movie, once. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3833 "2017-05-01T23:07:02Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > They’re not going to change libel laws. They’re just testing the political temperature with that one. What they’d rather do is exploit some national emergency and declare it illegal to ‘incite criminal acts against the State’ or something to that effect – sedition laws and the like. The fact that they can’t undermine the constitution doesn’t change the fact that they want to. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3834 "2017-05-01T23:23:15Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Looks like the answer (besides **Stranger’s** ) is Andy Borowitz. > [Trump Says He Has Been Treated Very Unfairly by People Who Wrote Constitution](http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-says-he-has-been-treated-very-unfairly-by-people-who-wrote-constitution) > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Um… do you think Trump knows that the people who wrote the Constitution are dead? > > Like Frederick Douglass. Note for the perplexed: the Borowitz Report is satire. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3835 "2017-05-01T23:28:55Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Note for the perplexed: the Borowitz Report is satire. That will always need to be pointed out. Nothing, and I mean nothing at all no matter how vile or stupid that could be said about this so-called “president” would surprise me in the least. There is no obvious separation between fact and fiction. I am gobsmacked that this feckless goober “president” still has fans. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3836 "2017-05-01T23:33:24Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > I am gobsmacked that this feckless goober “president” still has fans. But, but, …he got a conservative on the Supreme Court, and that’s all that matters. [and he wants to cut the corporate tax rate, bonus points] ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2017, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3837 "2017-05-01T23:43:47Z")
I can’t believe this bullshit. [Cabinet secretary: US airstrike in Syria ‘was in lieu of after-dinner entertainment’](http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/01/politics/wilbur-ross-syria-entertainment/). :smack: ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3838 "2017-05-02T00:00:41Z")
Congress does [something right](https://www.yahoo.com/news/congress-spending-bill-protects-medical-pot-states-205343224.html) for a change. > [@](#): > > Congress extended protections to 44 states that have legalized medical marijuana in its proposed $1 trillion spending bill that funds the government through September. > > The language prevents the Justice Department from using any of its funding to “prevent” those states from “implementing their own laws that authorize the use, distribution, possession, or cultivation of medical marijuana.” > > This amendment, championed by former Reps. Maurice Hinchey, D-N.Y., Sam Farr, D-Calif., and current Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., more than 10 years ago, finally became law in 2014 as part of the omnibus bill that funded fiscal year 2015. Nothing about recreational, only medical. Still, considering the Spineless Gnome"s stance: Fuck you, Sessions. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3839 "2017-05-02T00:01:44Z")
Your tax dollars at work. [Congress Allocates $120 Million](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/01/us/politics/secret-service-trump-protection.html) for Trump Family’s Security Costs. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/3840 "2017-05-02T00:08:02Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > Note for the perplexed: the Borowitz Report is satire. If I wasn’t living through it, I would read a description of Trump’s Presidency as a Jonathan Swift level satire–a 21st century modest proposal to fuck over the poor that voted for him. DJT: Let’s eat my base to enrich my friends; they don’t even see it happening and they Cheer me while I ineffectively try to do it. Ineffective, because I don’t understand how the Constitution works and I need to have more power to get around that archaic sheet of toliet paper that I recently swore to uphold, which gives so-called judges in far away islands the power to endanger our country. Or, Congress–just Congress. But, now it’s bad. Because I can’t measure up to what my favorite dictators do in third world countries. And, of course, Putin is the Gold Standard; very strong! Maybe I should ask them to the White House to get some pointers? What would Andrew Jackson tweet? Vlad? Vlad? Please call me to tell what I’m supposed to do. Vlad? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=191) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=193)