# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1923
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38445 "2019-11-04T10:02:35Z")
[Worser and worser](https://spectator.us/seven-whistleblowers-jared-kushner-bin-salman/): > [@](#): > > …According to Cockburn’s source about the seven whistleblowers, there’s more. It is that Kushner (allegedly) gave the green light to MBS to arrest the dissident journalist, Jamal Khashoggi, who was later murdered and dismembered in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. A second source tells Cockburn that this is true and adds a crucial twist to the story. This source claims that Turkish intelligence obtained an intercept of the call between Kushner and MBS. And President Erdogan used it to get Trump to roll over and pull American troops out of northern Syria before the Turks invaded… ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38446 "2019-11-04T11:35:31Z")
Okay, which does The Donald hate more-- Ukraine or California? **[‘No more’: Trump says he’ll cut off federal funds to fight California wildfires](https://a.msn.com/r/2/AAJMP6d?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare)** > [@](#): > > President Donald Trump said Sunday that he wants to cut off federal funds to fight wildfires raging across California, tweeting that Gov. Gavin Newsom should “get his act together” and properly manage the state’s forests. > > Trump, in a series of tweets, lauded the efforts of firefighters but accused Newsom of catering to environmentalists instead of focusing on fire deterrence. He said he previously warned Newsom that the state must “clean” forest floors of incendiary debris. > > “Every year, as the fire’s _[sic]_ rage & California burns, it is the same thing-and then he comes to the Federal Government for $$$ help,” Trump said. “No more. Get your act together Governor.You don’t see close to the level of burn in other states.” > … :smack: ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38447 "2019-11-04T11:54:03Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > This source claims that Turkish intelligence obtained an intercept of the call between Kushner and MBS. And President Erdogan used it to get Trump to roll over and pull American troops out of northern Syria before the Turks invaded… Wow. :eek: I suppose Trump’s base will just admire his loyalty to son-in-law. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38448 "2019-11-04T11:56:32Z")
> [@Individual1](#): > > You don’t see close to the level of burn in other states." Possibly because California is the only patch of Mediterranean climate in the entire United States, you drooling ignorant ? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38449 "2019-11-04T12:39:17Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Okay, which does The Donald hate more-- Ukraine or California? > > **[‘No more’: Trump says he’ll cut off federal funds to fight California wildfires](https://a.msn.com/r/2/AAJMP6d?m=en-us&referrerID=InAppShare)** > > :smack: > [@MSN](#): > > President Donald Trump said Sunday that he wants to cut off federal funds to fight wildfires raging across California, tweeting that Gov. Gavin Newsom should “get his act together” and properly manage the state’s forests. Hmmm. Most of the forests in California are Federal and most of the rest are private with 3% left over for the state. Those state forest fires sure must be fierce to threaten the rest. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38450 "2019-11-04T12:42:26Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > [Worser and worser](https://spectator.us/seven-whistleblowers-jared-kushner-bin-salman/): More on this > **[REPORT: Kushner OK'd Khashoggi Arrest, Turkey Heard Call & Blackmailed...](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/11/4/1897048/-REPORT-Kushner-OK-d-Khashoggi-Arrest-Turkey-Heard-Call-Blackmailed-Trump-over-Syrian-Troops?utm_campaign=trending)** > > I saw this story pop up around midnight that, if verified by other sources - including one of the new whistleblowers they’re reporting a source told them had nothing to do with the Ukraine saga - would explain Trump’s sudden withdrawal of U.S.... > [@](#): > > Jared Kushner gave permission to Saudi ruler Mohammad bin Salman to arrest Jamal Khashoggi before he was killed and dismembered, a whistleblower claims. > > However, Turkish intelligence intercepted the call and President Recep Erdogan then used the information to force President Trump to remove his troops from northern Syria, according to the Spectator. > > … > The report claims that investigators on the Democratic-led House Intelligence Committee are aware of these allegations and are planning to dig further into them while pursuing the impeachment inquiry over Trump’s dealings with Ukraine. > > It also claims that the number of intelligence whistleblowers who are willing to give evidence to the impeachment committee is seven. > > The three already known are the original anonymous CIA officer, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman and Tim Morrison, the NSC’s director for European and Russian Affairs. > > The Khashoggi whistleblower takes that tally up to four, meaning there are three others waiting in the wings. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38451 "2019-11-04T13:04:49Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > [Worser and worser](https://spectator.us/seven-whistleblowers-jared-kushner-bin-salman/): > [@CalMeacham](#): > > More on this > > [REPORT: Kushner OK'd Khashoggi Arrest, Turkey Heard Call & Blackmailed Trump over Syrian Troops](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/11/4/1897048/-REPORT-Kushner-OK-d-Khashoggi-Arrest-Turkey-Heard-Call-Blackmailed-Trump-over-Syrian-Troops?utm_campaign=trending) Answering the question: “How much worse can things get?” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38452 "2019-11-04T13:38:02Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Possibly because California is the only patch of Mediterranean climate in the entire United States, you drooling ignorant ? > [@DesertDog](#): > > Hmmm. Most of the forests in California are Federal and most of the rest are private with 3% left over for the state. Those state forest fires sure must be fierce to threaten the rest. Sorry, facts and reason have no place in The Donald’s brain (so to speak) and thus in this discussion. Sigh. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38453 "2019-11-04T13:57:32Z")
I think Daily Kos is ok if you’re trying to read the sentiment of the left, but I wouldn’t put them on “rock solid reporting” ground. Never heard of Spectator USA. Are they reputable? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38454 "2019-11-04T14:18:20Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Cheeto-Faced ShitGibbon has [some deeply damaging information](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-threat-expose-information-vindman-government-shutdown) about Lt. Colonel Vindman. Apparently, he intends to show that the Lt. Colonel is a “Never Trumper”, which is something akin to being a pederast and we all need to revile him for that. They’re already reviling him for the triple sin of being born in the Ukraine, immigrating to the US and not being sexually attractive to the Two-legged Cheeto. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38455 "2019-11-04T14:28:38Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > They’re already reviling him for the triple sin of being born in the Ukraine, immigrating to the US and not being sexually attractive to the Two-legged Cheeto. Don’t forget, he’s also Jewish. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38456 "2019-11-04T14:47:56Z")
I missed this one over the weekend. Trump tweeted this out on Saturday > [@](#): > > If Shifty Adam Schiff, who is a corrupt politician who fraudulently made up what I said on the “call,” is allowed to release transcripts of the Never Trumpers & others that are & were interviewed, he will change the words that were said to suit the Dems purposes. Republicans… > > …should give their own transcripts of the interviews to contrast with Schiff’s manipulated propaganda. House Republicans must have nothing to do with Shifty’s rendition of those interviews. He is a proven liar, leaker & freak who is really the one who should be impeached! > Trump is actually suggesting that Schiff will alter the transcript! George Conway responded > [@](#): > > Dummy—I mean “Mr. President”—you do realize that they use real court reporters—stenographers—to transcribe these depositions, don’t you? That the stenographers are under oath?And that the witnesses get to review the transcripts for errors before they sign them under oath? > George > > > Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38457 "2019-11-04T14:51:02Z")
I understand that the kids today call that “projection”. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38458 "2019-11-04T15:02:13Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I think Daily Kos is ok if you’re trying to read the sentiment of the left, but I wouldn’t put them on “rock solid reporting” ground. Never heard of Spectator USA. Are they reputable? Media Bias/Fact Check says [Spectator USA is slightly right of center but that they do proper sourcing and have a clean fact check record](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-spectator-usa/). No word on Cockburn, though. And I’ve never heard of either Spectator USA (which is apparently the USA branch of the UKs Spectator) or of Cockburn. But if this is indeed a right-leaning magazine and they’re reporting this, then … actually, I’m not sure what conclusion to draw. That even right-wing journalists are breaking away from Trump worship? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38459 "2019-11-04T15:03:00Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Don’t forget, he’s also Jewish. :eek: I didn’t know that bit, so couldn’t remember it. Do we know whether Occupy White House has a phobia of twins? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38460 "2019-11-04T15:28:39Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > They’re already reviling him for the triple sin of being born in the Ukraine, immigrating to the US and not being sexually attractive to the Two-legged Cheeto. I also firmly believe the the Colonel served on Swift boats with Kerry during the Vietnam war. /s Classic Rovian/Republican attack politics: Attack the individual with made up claims hoping the media will bite and start asking questions about the claims rather than the actual circumstances or areas being discussed. See also: Rapist’s defense; she had it coming, she was dressed sexy, she didn’t say no loud enough or the magic number of times, I was only holding a small knife to her neck and a few dozen other piles of bullshit. See what I did there? Individual **ONE** -\*\* O\*\*ur **N** ational **E** mbarrassment ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38461 "2019-11-04T15:42:40Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > Isn’t ‘lust’ an emotion? Suddenly I’m seeing Trump as [Belkar Bitterleaf](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0335.html) (pre-transformation), only without the competence and bravery. > [@Vaarsuvius](#): > > For you see, I theorize that the halfling does not possess a true sentient brain, like you or I, but rather a simple lump of nerve tissue that serves as a primitive “proto-brain” that can only process two emotional reactions to people: Hate or Lust. Seriously - does that not perfectly describe the man? > [@Morgyn](#): > > And I’ve never heard of either Spectator USA (which is apparently the USA branch of the UKs Spectator) or of Cockburn. But if this is indeed a right-leaning magazine and they’re reporting this, then … actually, I’m not sure what conclusion to draw. That even right-wing journalists are breaking away from Trump worship? Yes, the Spectator (UK) is owned by the Barclay Brothers who also run the definitely-right-skewed Daily Telegraph. A recent former editor of the Spectator is one Mr B. Johnson, currently of Number 10 Downing Street. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38462 "2019-11-04T15:54:03Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Media Bias/Fact Check says [Spectator USA is slightly right of center but that they do proper sourcing and have a clean fact check record](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-spectator-usa/). > > No word on Cockburn, though. > > And I’ve never heard of either Spectator USA (which is apparently the USA branch of the UKs Spectator) or of Cockburn. But if this is indeed a right-leaning magazine and they’re reporting this, then … actually, I’m not sure what conclusion to draw. That even right-wing journalists are breaking away from Trump worship? Thanks. I would say that UK “right of center” is way different than US “right of center,” especially nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38463 "2019-11-04T16:17:21Z")
[Trump is going to cut Federal funds to fight California fires](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/no-more-trump-says-hell-cut-off-federal-funds-to-fight-california-wildfires/ar-AAJMP6d?ocid=spartanntp). Apparently the Governor of California didn’t take his advice and sweep up all the debris on the ground in the forests. All of you asshats that said we had nothing to worry about because he was too stupid to do any real damage? _ **FUCK YOU!** _ ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38464 "2019-11-04T16:21:02Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Do we know whether Occupy White House has a phobia of twins? Twins? My god, that’s worse than _staircases._ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1922) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1924)