# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1924
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38465 "2019-11-04T16:50:06Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > [Trump is going to cut Federal funds to fight California fires](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/no-more-trump-says-hell-cut-off-federal-funds-to-fight-california-wildfires/ar-AAJMP6d?ocid=spartanntp). Well, he’s already committed federal aid to fighting forest fires[…in Russia](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-putin-help-siberia-wildfires-kremlin-russia-a9032986.html). ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38466 "2019-11-04T16:52:09Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > _ **…FUCK YOU!** _ Seconded. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38467 "2019-11-04T17:02:49Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Well, he’s already committed federal aid to fighting forest fires[…in Russia](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-putin-help-siberia-wildfires-kremlin-russia-a9032986.html). I legitimately don’t understand this. Those who support Trump- do they just not believe that Russia is getting US tax dollars but California won’t be, or do they believe it and just think Russian lives are worth more than American? Just worth more than Californian lives? How do they support this in their heads? America first, unless Russia, then America second? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38468 "2019-11-04T17:07:19Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > I legitimately don’t understand this. Those who support Trump- do they just not believe that Russia is getting US tax dollars but California won’t be, or do they believe it and just think Russian lives are worth more than American? Just worth more than Californian lives? How do they support this in their heads? America first, unless Russia, then America second? California is not “real America” and Californians are not “real Americans”, plus they didn’t vote for Trump (in a big way), Nancy Pelosi is from there and the governor is a Democrat. Therefore it’s fine if it burns down because it’s hurting the people they want to hurt. Which is Trumpism at its heart. As for support for Russia, they dont’ care as long as the abovementioned hurting happens. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38469 "2019-11-04T17:13:15Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > California is not “real America” and Californians are not “real Americans”… But Russians are. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38470 "2019-11-04T18:15:19Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Great! Let’s see your tax returns you stupid asshole. > > Hard to be the dumb one in the Trump family, isn’t it. Trump Taxes: Appeals Court Rules President **Must Turn Over 8 Years of Tax Returns** A federal appeals panel said on Monday that President Trump’s accounting firm must turn over eight years of his personal and corporate tax returns to Manhattan prosecutors, a setback for the president’s attempt to keep his financial records private. The three-judge appeals panel did not take a position on the president’s biggest argument — that he was immune from all criminal investigations. A lower court had called that argument **“repugnant to the nation’s governmental structure and constitutional values.”** Instead, the appeals court said the president’s accounting firm, not Mr. Trump himself, was subpoenaed for the documents, so **it did not matter** whether presidents have immunity. I like hearing that in my mind as… _“The Rock says it don’t matter!”_😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38471 "2019-11-04T18:16:45Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > But Russians are. Well fuck every last one of the bastards. Maybe Cali shouldn’t be financing TrumpLand subsidies anymore. Fuck 'em. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38472 "2019-11-04T18:18:54Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Possibly because California is the only patch of Mediterranean climate in the entire United States, you drooling ignorant ? We need more rakes 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38473 "2019-11-04T18:20:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > _ **FUCK YOU!** _ Ditto. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38474 "2019-11-04T18:20:02Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > More on this > > [REPORT: Kushner OK'd Khashoggi Arrest, Turkey Heard Call & Blackmailed Trump over Syrian Troops](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/11/4/1897048/-REPORT-Kushner-OK-d-Khashoggi-Arrest-Turkey-Heard-Call-Blackmailed-Trump-over-Syrian-Troops?utm_campaign=trending) I remain highly skeptical … mostly because it seems improbable that an obscure news source could get their hands on such incredibly sensitive material. But if it’s true, not the least disturbing aspect of this story is that such a sensitive conversation was “acquired” by Turkish intelligence. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was because somebody in the White House was making calls on their personal, unsecured, phone. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38475 "2019-11-04T18:20:55Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Trump Taxes: Appeals Court Rules President \*\*Must Turn Over 8 Years of Tax Returns Doesn’t mean jack shit unless they have balls to march over to the White House and kick ass until it happens. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38476 "2019-11-04T18:24:08Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Doesn’t mean jack shit unless they have balls to march over to the White House and kick ass until it happens. Looks like they are going after and pressuring the accounting firm. Bypassing Trump. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38477 "2019-11-04T18:26:33Z")
I’m pretty sure, don’t quote me, that Trump has 10 days to petition the Supremes on that. I’m at work sneakily reading the internets, so this style of reading doesn’t lend itself to detailed comprehension. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38478 "2019-11-04T18:28:37Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Looks like they are going after and pressuring the accounting firm. Bypassing Trump. Injunction, immunity, ignoring the request-don’t hold your breath. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38479 "2019-11-04T18:33:02Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Injunction, immunity, ignoring the request-don’t hold your breath. Who is going to issue an injunction staying a ruling by a federal appellate court? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38480 "2019-11-04T18:33:27Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > I think Daily Kos is ok if you’re trying to read the sentiment of the left, but I wouldn’t put them on “rock solid reporting” ground. Never heard of Spectator USA. Are they reputable? Media Bias Check has them further right than center-right. > **[The Spectator (USA) - Bias and Credibility](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-spectator-usa/)** > > RIGHT-CENTER BIAS These media sources are slightly to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38481 "2019-11-04T18:36:13Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38482 "2019-11-04T18:44:16Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Media Bias Check has them further right than center-right. > > [https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-spectator-usa/](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-spectator-usa/) Which makes me wonder if this isn’t a deliberate false charge which will then be used to cast doubt on the true charges. That said, i wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if it turns out to be true. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38483 "2019-11-04T19:09:11Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Injunction, immunity, ignoring the request-don’t hold your breath. Didn’t Mazars say that they stood ready to deliver the requested material once the legal issue had been settled? There are so many lawsuits and countersuits and countercountersuits floating around it’s hard for a bear of very little brain to keep track. Or perhaps Mazars was counting on CFSG to keep them out of hot water and are now crapping their corporate pants. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38484 "2019-11-04T19:31:22Z")
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