# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1925
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38485 "2019-11-04T19:39:25Z")
"(Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus) Vance’s office has agreed not to enforce the subpoena while Trump petitions the Supreme Court. Under the agreement, Trump has 10 calendar days to file the petition. The timing of Monday’s decision means the Supreme Court could probably take up and decide the case in its current term, which ends in June. It could, however, wait until its next term to hear the case, potentially pushing its decision until after Trump goes up for reelection next year. The Supreme Court could also decline to hear the case altogether, which would effectively uphold the 2nd Circuit’s decision and clear the way for Vance to get Trump’s tax returns. " > **[Trump's accounting firm must hand over 8 years of tax returns, court rules](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-taxes/new-york-prosecutors-can-get-trump-tax-returns-court-rules-idUSKBN1XE1O8)** > > President Donald Trump's longtime accounting firm must hand over eight years of his tax returns to New York prosecutors, a U.S. appeals court ruled Monday, the latest setback for Trump in his tenacious efforts to keep his finances secret. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38486 "2019-11-04T19:51:34Z")
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**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38487 "2019-11-04T20:01:38Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Looks like they are going after and pressuring the accounting firm. Bypassing Trump. I wonder how many more appeals and how many more months to years it will take? It’s my understanding that the accounting firm says it will comply with whatever the court orders them to do but it’s the king of making America homeless that keeps appealing. ETA- Whoa this could take forever. Who is this Vance person? Is this normal procedure? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38488 "2019-11-04T20:47:52Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Who is going to issue an injunction staying a ruling by a federal appellate court? His Orange Highness and President for Life. See if he doesn’t. Honestly, at this point, how can you be in any way optimistic the center will hold and normal rules still apply? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38489 "2019-11-04T21:03:39Z")
Because he hasn’t directly flouted the authority of the judiciary. Yet. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38490 "2019-11-04T21:25:46Z")
Trump, in his new search for a sporting event he won’t get booed at is going to the AL-LSU football game. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38491 "2019-11-04T23:08:28Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Trump, in his new search for a sporting event he won’t get booed at is going to the AL-LSU football game. I was just on a college football discussion board, and Alabama fans were predicting that his reception would be 70% cheers, 30% boos. If he can only get a 70% approval in freakin’ Tuscaloosa, Alabama…he might be in trouble. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38492 "2019-11-04T23:13:51Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Because he hasn’t directly flouted the authority of the judiciary. Yet. Give him another term in office and he won’t need to; he’ll have the judiciary loaded with justices who are political ideologues. Have a read. Consider that McConnell and Trump are creating a right wing ideologue judge factory. > **[Trump Appointee Lays Out Whackadoodle, Undemocratic Dissent... That Will Be...](https://abovethelaw.com/2019/10/trump-loses-again-but-rao/)** > > Dwarf-tossing apologist Neomi Rao makes bad argument that will probably be adopted by craven Supreme Court. > [@](#): > > None of the above is correct. None of it. Neomi Rao has here made up a standard that does not exist, to support the political opinion of the man who appointed her. We’re becoming more and more like, I don’t know…Turkey? ---
**Author:** ![Boycott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boycott/32/6741_2.png) [@Boycott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boycott)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38493 "2019-11-04T23:14:19Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Trump, in his new search for a sporting event he won’t get booed at is going to the AL-LSU football game. I wonder if this is 100% ego driven or partly because his people are desperate for a clip of rapturous applause to play in an election ad next year. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38494 "2019-11-04T23:25:08Z")
> [@Boycott](#): > > I wonder if this is 100% ego driven or partly because his people are desperate for a clip of rapturous applause to play in an election ad next year. [Joyce Vance](https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) is a professor at the University of Alabama. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38495 "2019-11-04T23:28:13Z")
> [@HelenGawn](#): > > [Joyce Vance](https://twitter.com/JoyceWhiteVance?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor) > is a professor at the University of Alabama. Thanks for the link. She sounds like one o’ them fancy elitist shoe-wearers. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38496 "2019-11-05T00:23:00Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > "(Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus) Vance … Arrgh, I saw that name and thought, “is he still around??” I guess it is Jr. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38497 "2019-11-05T01:00:33Z")
I thought it was Cy Vance of Vance Refrigeration… ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38498 "2019-11-05T01:11:45Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > More on this > [REPORT: Kushner OK'd Khashoggi Arrest, Turkey Heard Call & Blackmailed Trump over Syrian Troops](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/11/4/1897048/-REPORT-Kushner-OK-d-Khashoggi-Arrest-Turkey-Heard-Call-Blackmailed-Trump-over-Syrian-Troops?utm_campaign=trending) In re “Spectator USA” : > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Media Bias Check has them further right than center-right. > [https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-spectator-usa/](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-spectator-usa/) > [@davidm](#): > > Which makes me wonder if this isn’t a deliberate false charge which will then be used to cast doubt on the true charges. > > That said, i wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if it turns out to be true. Several hours after these posts were made, mainstream outlets still aren’t biting. The only hits: the aforementioned Spectator USA and Daily Kos, and the Daily Mail and something called “[ahvalnews.com](http://ahvalnews.com)”. So I’m guessing it’s not checking out. I think davidm is right on both counts: there might be something real behind this story, but the story as it’s being put forward by the four outlets may well be intended to trip up mainstream media. If they were to cover it there could be a ‘_haha they covered a fake story, we told you they were the enemy of the people_’ reaction already prepared. And at the same time, if genuine information relating to Kushner’s involvement were to be uncovered, it would be rendered harmless by the fact that an over-reaching, under-sourced version had already been told. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38499 "2019-11-05T02:04:10Z")
Did everyone here [miss my earlier post](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21954151&postcount=38532), where I said that Media Bias/Fact Check also says that while the Spectator USA is to the right, they are > [@](#): > > [rated] High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record. Media Bias/Fact Check didn’t mention Cockburn, so I remain on the fence as to how accurate he/she/it/or them is, but the people doing the checking say that the Spectator USA does its homework and reports straight. Spectator USA is largely unknown, but its parent company has a long track record. And it’s not as if it’s the first time a story has come out of the blue. The National Enquirer, for example, broke the story on John Edwards, which was largely dismissed for months. I’m taking a wait and see attitude, but the reputation of Spectator USA seems to be good. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38500 "2019-11-05T02:18:14Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > California is not “real America” and Californians are not “real Americans”… > [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > But Russians are. Unless they obtained American citizenship at some point, of course, at which point they become traitors, or spies, or something equally dirty such as immigrants. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38501 "2019-11-05T03:58:40Z")
Individual 1 felt up Nationals player Kurt Suzuki at the Nationals rally at the White House. [https://thegailygrind.com/2019/11/04/trump-awkwardly-felt-up-a-nationals-player-from-behind-today-and-twitter-is-distraught](https://thegailygrind.com/2019/11/04/trump-awkwardly-felt-up-a-nationals-player-from-behind-today-and-twitter-is-distraught) ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38502 "2019-11-05T04:45:46Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 felt up Nationals player Kurt Suzuki at the Nationals rally at the White House. > [https://thegailygrind.com/2019/11/04/trump-awkwardly-felt-up-a-nationals-player-from-behind-today-and-twitter-is-distraught](https://thegailygrind.com/2019/11/04/trump-awkwardly-felt-up-a-nationals-player-from-behind-today-and-twitter-is-distraught) I’m sure he feels he gave Japan (or one of those Chinese countries) a bonus by doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38503 "2019-11-05T04:55:18Z")
I believe that’s called a “reach around.” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2019, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38504 "2019-11-05T11:16:13Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Spectator USA is largely unknown, but its parent company has a long track record. Eh. Both the Spectator (UK) and the Telegraph have been churning out a lot of “questionable” stories in recent years, albeit mostly to promote Brexit and smear Jeremy Corbyn (I mean, there’s plenty of real reasons to dislike Corbyn but that hasn’t stopped the Torygraph from blatant misrepresentation of his statements and actions). No views on the US site or which way they would fall in support of Trump. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1924) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1926)