# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1937
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38725 "2019-11-14T04:09:51Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Yeah. I don’t expect the Supreme Court to be in much of a hurry here. But I can’t predict anything anymore. Maybe they’ll refuse to hear it, that’d be quite the shocker. You’ll be pleased to learn there is [already a ruling](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-financialrecords/u-s-appeals-court-again-backs-house-request-for-trump-tax-documents-idUSKBN1XO00O) by the DC Circuit denying Trump’s motion for review of its earlier decision in the Mazars case. (Reuters) > [@](#): > > The 8-3 vote by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, declining the Republican president’s request to rehear arguments that the subpoena to Mazars LLP was illegitimate, brings Democrats closer to shedding light on his business interests and how he built his fortune. All that’s left is SCOTUS, and I’ll be surprised if they agree to take it up since there are no conflicting rulings of lower courts to resolve. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38726 "2019-11-14T04:15:18Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > All that’s left is SCOTUS, and I’ll be surprised if they agree to take it up since there are no conflicting rulings of lower courts to resolve. Moreover, one imagines that the unanimous ruling in US v. Nixon establishes an overwhelming precedent when it comes to executive privilege. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38727 "2019-11-14T04:17:41Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Moreover, one imagines that the unanimous ruling in US v. Nixon establishes an overwhelming precedent when it comes to executive privilege. One would think. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38728 "2019-11-14T05:05:37Z")
**Smapti** , [you are being surplussed](https://lawsuit.org/robotrump-an-ai-trump-experiment/). ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38729 "2019-11-14T05:23:09Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > **Smapti** , [you are being surplussed](https://lawsuit.org/robotrump-an-ai-trump-experiment/). Took the quiz. Got 6/10! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38730 "2019-11-14T06:04:58Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > **Smapti** , [you are being surplussed](https://lawsuit.org/robotrump-an-ai-trump-experiment/). Look, I know more about surplussed than anyone who’s lived. And in terms of artificial and the cyber, I’ve been getting many calls from the biggest names, they’ve been saying “Sir, there isn’t anything artificial can do to replace President Trump”. Because nobody knows anything about what this is, you have to be Albert Einstein to understand it, so I said, “We’re not doing artificial, we’re going to do Donald Trump”, and the Fake Trump won’t tell you this, but we’re going to be showing you our plan very soon that’s much better than digital and artificial, and I think you’re going to be tremendously surprised by the great things it’s going to do for our country. (9/10 on the quiz, BTW.) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38731 "2019-11-14T06:06:58Z")
Jess Dweck tweets _Absolutely disgusting that the Democrats set an impeachment trap for the president by just sitting and waiting for him to commit a completely unnecessary crime._ (not sure who that is) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38732 "2019-11-14T07:54:17Z")
And one of the idiot trump-loving vets of my aquaintance says I’m “intellectually dishonest” because I’m not, like he is, bitching about the House not following federal court rules of evidence. Take a wild guess what that tells me about trumpeters. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38733 "2019-11-14T08:38:58Z")
8/10 on the quiz. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38734 "2019-11-14T10:00:18Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Took the quiz. Got 6/10! Same. But I disagree with the headline. This does not make me concerned that AI text generation is getting too good…it’s making me concerned that the _President of the United States is such an incoherent, rambling speaker, he can be successfully replicated by an AI text generator_. ---
**Author:** ![Gus\_Gusterson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85f322/32.png) [@Gus\_Gusterson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gus_Gusterson)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38735 "2019-11-14T12:57:11Z")
I got 7 out of 10 on the quiz. They all sounded like they could be him because the AI has a problem with shifting topics abruptly, just as he does. I tried to key in on these topic shifts. But if I wasn’t taking the quiz? I would have accepted every one of them as being straight from the horse’s ass’s mouth. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38736 "2019-11-14T15:14:58Z")
10/10. The AI is good, but there’s still something about it. You can always tell the difference. It helps if in your head you imagine Trump’s ugly, stupid voice saying it. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38737 "2019-11-14T15:58:24Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > Same. > > But I disagree with the headline. > > This does not make me concerned that AI text generation is getting too good…it’s making me concerned that the _President of the United States is such an incoherent, rambling speaker, he can be successfully replicated by an AI text generator_. The article does acknowledge that interpretation: > [@](#): > > So, what’s going on here? Has AI really gotten _that_ good at generating realistic text, or does Trump speak in such unintelligible gibberish that he’s extremely easy to mimic? > > The truth is likely a little bit of both… ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38738 "2019-11-14T16:05:33Z")
I only got 6/10 on the test. BUT — Nitpick alert! — one should get a 6.53 score (on average) even knowing nothing about Trump or the bot! IIUC, we’re told in advance that exactly 5 of the ten paragraphs were written by the bot, and told who wrote each paragraph after guessing but before presenting the next paragraph. In that case, a simple strategy — counting and guessing whichever residue is more populous — will guarantee a score of 5 and an average score (coin-tossing when Trump and bot are equally populous) of 6.53. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38739 "2019-11-14T16:37:32Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > 10/10. The AI is good, but there’s still something about it. You can always tell the difference. I got 8/10. For me, the way to tell the difference is that the AI is more literate than Trump. It seemed to have a larger vocabulary, and it has a greater tendency to use complete sentences than the President of the United States. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38740 "2019-11-14T17:33:45Z")
5/10. I started well, but lost it. (I missed the “cheat” about 50%, I went right to the quiz. I guess I should read the instructions first!) In my defense, I never listen to or read anything trump says if I can avoid it. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38741 "2019-11-14T17:52:59Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > I got 8/10. For me, the way to tell the difference is that the AI is more literate than Trump. **It seemed to have a larger vocabulary** , and it has a greater tendency to use complete sentences than the President of the United States. (emphasis mine) Doubtful, considering the bot was presumably fed Trumpisms exclusively. I agree with earlier posters that my primary clue/decisive factor were the more abrupt, non-sequitur topic changes ; and even then I only got 7/10 (although I did miss the 5/5 rule). ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38742 "2019-11-14T18:49:15Z")
It’s not so much a matter of “a larger vocabulary” as that the chunks are less repetitious than Trump. When Trump latches onto a specific word he uses it till it surrenders unconditionally. So, if he starts talking about something “enormous” he’ll say “enormous” and “enormously” six times in 5-7 sentences, but he won’t say “big” or “large”; if he hooks up with “large”, then we get “large” and “largest” but not “big” or “enormous”. The IT varied more within a single paragraph. 9/10 ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38743 "2019-11-14T20:51:22Z")
I got 8 out of 10. I recognized a couple of them so they were ringers. What disturbs me though is the ones I got wrong; on those I’d said, “there’s no way he’s that moronic,” and chose AI. Wrong both times. Christ what an embarrassment this guy is. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/38744 "2019-11-14T23:37:42Z")
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