# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1952
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39025 "2019-11-24T16:32:58Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > In human-speak, it means Rudy Colludy, due to his vast experience, is really good at spotting corruption. > > Whether because he fights it, or lives it, depends on which Rudy you’re thinking of - the crimefighting Rudy, or the trump toady Rudy. Guiliani has proven to be so dishonest and unscrupulous that is anyone else wondering about the people he sent to jail? Given that he’s supposed to uphold the law, his behavior now is just horrifying. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39026 "2019-11-24T16:38:35Z")
Oh what fun it is to live in the era of President Buzz Windrip. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39027 "2019-11-24T16:44:32Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Isn’t part of his base members of the military? How does this interference play with them? It’s a cliche, but what would they have said if Obama had done the same thing? Obama is different. Him they would have wanted to kill - literally, for some of the Base. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39028 "2019-11-24T16:45:42Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Was reading some reporters Twitter feed, and this is exactly what they were saying. It’s disgusting. The human race is officially a failed experiment. Absolutely disgusting. So much for the rah rah pro-military pro-flag LIES the fuckers have pushed … forever. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39029 "2019-11-24T16:48:17Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > because [t](https://reut.rs/2OEYhiU)his will hurt your head and eyes, > > [spoiler]\*\*\* He’s like an iconic figure in this country for two reasons. He was the greatest mayor in the history of New York and he was the greatest crime fighter probably in the last 50 years. > > He’s also a friend of mine. He’s a great person … When you’re dealing with a corrupt country - if Rudy Giuliani - he’s got credentials because of his reputation… When Rudy Giuliani goes there and you hear it’s a corrupt country, I mean, it means a lot.\*\*\*[/spoiler] I’m a former New Yorker, and I say to hell with that lying crooked mother fucker Giuliani. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39030 "2019-11-24T16:50:56Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The “A Warning” book by Anonymous says Individual 1 wants to pull out of NATO. > [Trump Said U.S. Is 'Getting Raped' by NATO, Has Pushed to Exit Alliance According to White House Insider](https://www.newsweek.com/trump-said-u-s-getting-raped-nato-exit-alliance-white-house-insider-1473434) Well NO SHIT. He’s been trying to sabotage NATO since Helsinki … since before that actually. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39031 "2019-11-24T16:52:13Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Turmp wanted the US to pull out of NATO ever since he got back from a trip to Moscow in 1987. I wonder where he got the idea. Yup. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39032 "2019-11-24T18:23:59Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > You’re thinking they don’t want an autocratic presidency. I still remember carefully explaining to a friend, back in mumblemumble, that voting for someone because “he’s a man of action!” and “he’s strong!” isn’t a good idea unless you think the actions he takes and the way he exercises that strength are correct. He wasn’t convinced. To a lot of people, boisterous blunder is the very essence of authority, noise and speed are what marks “decisiveness”, and “decisiveness” equals leadership; they’re always and forever surprised when the brake-less 18-wheeler runs into their living room. This attitude drives me crazy, too. Well put. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39033 "2019-11-24T18:37:57Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > > > The New York Times [reports](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/23/us/politics/navy-discipline-edward-gallagher.html) that the Navy plans to proceed with expelling Gallagher from the Navy SEALs, on the theory that a tweet isn’t an official order and if he does make it an official order, the Secretary of the Navy and the admiral in charge of the SEALs will resign. > > A threat that might carry more weight if the America-hating fuckstick actually valued institutional memory and legacy expertise. The next SECNAV and SEALS CinC will probably be buddies of Eric and DJTJ from their yacht club. And the thing is even if the next president is a sane person (Republican _or_ Democrat), it’s not simply a matter of hitting the reset button on the Trump Presidency. He’s caused all kinds of damage to the military, the government, America’s international agreements and its standing in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39034 "2019-11-24T19:52:21Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Trump has the most things the matter with him! The BIGGEST things! Or the smallest, um, things, if you know what I mean. Wink wink, nudge nudge. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > And the thing is even if the next president is a sane person (Republican _or_ Democrat), it’s not simply a matter of hitting the reset button on the Trump Presidency. He’s caused all kinds of damage to the military, the government, America’s international agreements and its standing in the world. And lasting damage to boot, as we can never guarantee it won’t happen again, electing such a cretin. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39035 "2019-11-24T20:12:38Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Or the smallest, um, things, if you know what I mean. Wink wink, nudge nudge. Donald J. Schmeckle. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39036 "2019-11-24T23:21:14Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Turmp wanted the US to pull out of NATO ever since he got back from a trip to Moscow in 1987. I wonder where he got the idea. I guarantee you Trump was marked as a asset long before then, and that he was bugged the minute his shoe touched chintzy Aeroflot carpet. If KGB wants to control someone, they pick somebody who fears exposure and has a clearance to lose. All they need is for the mark to either take or hand something to them, and they can blackmail you. This would work on naïve newbies straight out of Basic, but you have to wonder what KGB could use on Trump. He’s so damned stupid. He’s not ashamed of anything except poverty and…? The honey trap is a Putin speciality. There was an Intourist hotel that some private company bought in Moscow, and they found it was laden with bugs and surveillance equipment. That hotel was notable in the 90s for the prostitutes sitting in rows in the lobby. Does _anybody_ believe that Trump turned down Russian prostitutes, like his bodyguard said? Trump wants to be what he thinks of as “strong”----look at how he gushed over Kim Jong Un. _"He’s the head of a country, and I mean he’s the strong head,”Trump said.“He speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.”_ Putin must have reams of material on Trump, but what does he fear so much? And jeez, thanks for the reminder about Trump’s…shortcomings. I’ll treasure that mental image. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39037 "2019-11-24T23:44:43Z")
[Navy Secretary Richard Spencer has been fired](https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/24/politics/pentagon-mark-esper-richard-spencer/index.html). Well, ‘forced to resign’. Same thing. > [@](#): > > Spencer went around his own chain of command – namely Defense Secretary Mark Esper – and straight to the White House, a violation of military policy, the official said. > > Esper on Sunday asked for Spencer’s resignation after “losing trust” and “confidence in him,” according to a statement released by Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman. Spencer’s private request to restore Gallagher’s rank and allow him to retire with his Trident pin directly contradicted his public position, according to the statement. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39038 "2019-11-25T00:47:13Z")
> [@margin](#): > > I guarantee you Trump was marked as a asset long before then, and that he was bugged the minute his shoe touched chintzy Aeroflot carpet. > > If KGB wants to control someone, they pick somebody who fears exposure and has a clearance to lose. All they need is for the mark to either take or hand something to them, and they can blackmail you. This would work on naïve newbies straight out of Basic, but you have to wonder what KGB could use on Trump. He’s so damned stupid. > > He’s not ashamed of anything except poverty and…? The honey trap is a Putin speciality. There was an Intourist hotel that some private company bought in Moscow, and they found it was laden with bugs and surveillance equipment. That hotel was notable in the 90s for the prostitutes sitting in rows in the lobby. Does _anybody_ believe that Trump turned down Russian prostitutes, like his bodyguard said? > > Trump wants to be what he thinks of as “strong”----look at how he gushed over Kim Jong Un. > > _"He’s the head of a country, and I mean he’s the strong head,”Trump said.“He speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.”_ > > Putin must have reams of material on Trump, but what does he fear so much? > > And jeez, thanks for the reminder about Trump’s…shortcomings. I’ll treasure that mental image. If it were Trump that was an asset, that would be inconsequential; the much, much deeper problem is that Putin’s hacking of the Republican party and conservative causes. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39039 "2019-11-25T00:48:24Z")
When the head of one of the branches of the military resigns, [specifically citing](https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1198746712480911360/photo/1) that the president of the United States does not conform to the American version of rule of law, how exactly do Republicans still lay claim to being the pro military party? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39040 "2019-11-25T01:08:05Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > When the head of one of the branches of the military resigns, [specifically citing](https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1198746712480911360/photo/1) that the president of the United States does not conform to the American version of rule of law, how exactly do Republicans still lay claim to being the pro military party? Easy - it’s _their_ military, defending _their_ nation. Spencer wasn’t with _their_ program; he’s part of the deep state. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39041 "2019-11-25T01:40:57Z")
> [@margin](#): > > I guarantee you Trump was marked as a asset long before then, and that he was bugged the minute his shoe touched chintzy Aeroflot carpet. > > If KGB wants to control someone, they pick somebody who fears exposure and has a clearance to lose. All they need is for the mark to either take or hand something to them, and they can blackmail you. This would work on naïve newbies straight out of Basic, but you have to wonder what KGB could use on Trump. He’s so damned stupid. > > He’s not ashamed of anything except poverty and…? The honey trap is a Putin speciality. There was an Intourist hotel that some private company bought in Moscow, and they found it was laden with bugs and surveillance equipment. That hotel was notable in the 90s for the prostitutes sitting in rows in the lobby. Does _anybody_ believe that Trump turned down Russian prostitutes, like his bodyguard said? > > Trump wants to be what he thinks of as “strong”----look at how he gushed over Kim Jong Un. > > _"He’s the head of a country, and I mean he’s the strong head,”Trump said.“He speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same.”_ > > Putin must have reams of material on Trump, but what does he fear so much? > > And jeez, thanks for the reminder about Trump’s…shortcomings. I’ll treasure that mental image. I’m in a minority - I may _be_ the minority - that doesn’t believe any kompromat is involved. Putin or his minions have been blowing smoke up trump’s ass for thirty years, and that’s the only thing that really gets him off (sorry, **margin** ). Nothing will break that bond. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39042 "2019-11-25T04:24:00Z")
[Rick Perry is also nuts](https://twitter.com/CourtneyHagle/status/1198654816928579584): > [@](#): > > Fox & Friends preview an interview with Rick Perry, where he says that Trump is “the chosen one” and “sent by God to do great things” > > Pete Hegseth: “God has used imperfect people forever,” but what Trump “has withstood is unlike what really any other mortal could understand” _[Video]_ ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39043 "2019-11-25T04:27:23Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Navy Secretary Richard Spencer has been fired](https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/24/politics/pentagon-mark-esper-richard-spencer/index.html). > > Well, ‘forced to resign’. Same thing. Jesus fucking christ ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39044 "2019-11-25T04:37:41Z")
I saw a clip of War Criminal Gallagher from Fox and Friends today. His interview was an audition for a position in the Trump administration. He even used one of Trump’s favorite shticks, calling someone “Cryin’ Craig Miller”. I had to back up and listen again to make sure I heard that right. Actually, I’m surprised more of his sycophants don’t make use of that. Anyway, look for Gallagher’s new appointment soon. Maybe if the guy Trump picked already to be the new Secretary of the Navy doesn’t work out. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1951) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1953)