# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1966
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2019, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39305 "2019-12-11T23:55:16Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Peer into the mind of Trump, a pit of stinky, writhing, squamous horrors… > > I don’t think he’s “laying the foundation” for dictatorship. He already thinks it is. He sincerely believes that if the President does it, its not illegal. And, in all morbid fascination, he has a point. Reagan sold arms to a _hostile_ foreign power, in order to raise money to support the Contras. Which Congress specifically and explicitly said he could not do. > > And he skated. And some of the scumbags that helped Reagan get away with this are now working hard on Trump’s behalf. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39306 "2019-12-12T02:46:55Z")
> [@simster](#): > > How does this not run afoul of the 1st? The First Amendment is whatever the courts say it is. And increasingly, as Trump gets to appoint more and more judges, the courts will be ruling somewhere to the right of Attila the Hun. > [@jasg](#): > > Well, I did mess up the date - so, Fake News! You? Never.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39307 "2019-12-12T04:03:15Z")
Donnie Junior went to Mongolia, shot an endangered animal, and then got a retroactive permit. > **[Donald Trump Jr. Killed a Rare Sheep on a Trip to Mongolia and Then Got a...](https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-jr-was-treated-like-a-king-on-a-trip-to-mongolia-and-then-he-killed-a-rare-sheep)** > > The president’s son was reportedly given an approval retroactively after shooting an argali sheep, which is a threatened species, on August visit. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39308 "2019-12-12T04:06:06Z")
Individual 1 claims Lisa Page got a restraining order on Peter Strzok because he “heard it somewhere”. > **[Trump Claims He’s Heard FBI ‘Lovers’ Had a ‘Restraining Order,’ Admits He Has...](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-claims-fbi-lovers-lisa-page-and-peter-strzok-had-a-restraining-order-admits-theres-no-evidence)** > > The president made the baseless claim to supporters, admitting he didn’t “know if it’s true.” “This is a lie. Nothing like this ever happened,” the ex-FBI lawyer says. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39309 "2019-12-12T06:03:25Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 claims Lisa Page got a restraining order on Peter Strzok because he “heard it somewhere”. > [Trump Claims FBI ‘Lovers’ Lisa Page and Peter Strzok Had a ‘Restraining Order,’ Admits There’s No Evidence](https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-claims-fbi-lovers-lisa-page-and-peter-strzok-had-a-restraining-order-admits-theres-no-evidence) Is there any reason Page couldn’t sue Trump for slander? I mean, there are laws against just making up derogatory shit about people…right? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39310 "2019-12-12T06:15:34Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Is there any reason Page couldn’t sue Trump for slander? I mean, there are laws against just making up derogatory shit about people…right? **No, not at all, you see, it was, um, what’s the …** (consults with lawyer) **“satire”, that’s what it was, “satire”.** ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39311 "2019-12-12T06:32:36Z")
this, however [does not appear to be](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/09/trump-seoul-evacuation-north-korea-book) satire, \*… (Individual-ONE) was also shown a satellite image of the Korean peninsula … the bright lights of Seoul just 30 miles south of the demilitarized zone … the president asked: “Why is Seoul so close to the North Korean border?” (Individual-ONE) had been repeatedly told that US freedom of action against North Korea was constrained by the fact that the regime’s artillery could demolish the South Korean capital in retaliation for any attack, inflicting mass casualties on its population of 25 million. “They have to move,” (Individual-ONE) said, according to Bergen, who adds that his officials were initially unsure if the president was joking. But (Individual-ONE) then repeated the line. “They have to move!”\* ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39312 "2019-12-12T11:53:37Z")
Maybe they could move to the flatlands of middle-USA. The Koreans would be further from the DMZ, the Midwest would get a ton of new jobs… win-win, no? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39313 "2019-12-12T12:35:45Z")
If they would just rake Seoul a little more, eh? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39314 "2019-12-12T13:59:34Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > **No, not at all, you see, it was, um, what’s the …** (consults with lawyer) **“satire”, that’s what it was, “satire”.** Re bold: Thanks. 🙂 > [@eschereal](#): > > this, however [does not appear to be](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/09/trump-seoul-evacuation-north-korea-book) satire, > > \*… (Individual-ONE) was also shown a satellite image of the Korean peninsula … the bright lights of Seoul just 30 miles south of the demilitarized zone … the president asked: “Why is Seoul so close to the North Korean border?” > > (Individual-ONE) had been repeatedly told that US freedom of action against North Korea was constrained by the fact that the regime’s artillery could demolish the South Korean capital in retaliation for any attack, inflicting mass casualties on its population of 25 million. “They have to move,” (Individual-ONE) said, according to Bergen, who adds that his officials were initially unsure if the president was joking. But (Individual-ONE) then repeated the line. “They have to move!”\* \ Geography is so hard! You know, I’ve been told there’s a lot of \*space \*involved. Miles and acres and stuff. Complicated. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39315 "2019-12-12T14:09:26Z")
(Channeling Douglas Adams) Countries are big. Really big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely, mindbogglingly big they are. I mean, you may think it’s a long way down the road from Times Square to Central Park, but that’s just peanuts to countries. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39316 "2019-12-12T14:35:35Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > During the campaign, I made the observation that there probably are Trump supporters that would gladly let Trump shit in their mouth if it triggered a “liberul”. > > They don’t seem to mind being fucked in the ass by Trump as long as they think they’re getting a reach around. Trump never pays a debt or gives back, so they’ll NEVER get that reach-around either. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39317 "2019-12-12T14:59:14Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Trump never pays a debt or gives back, so they’ll NEVER get that reach-around either. But he promised that **this** time… ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39318 "2019-12-12T15:40:27Z")
Is it me or does Trump sound increasingly like someone who’s suffering from serious cognitive decline? His speeches at his rallies have always had a certain stream of consciousness element to them, but he’s starting to slur - his “ideas” are colliding into each other like atoms. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39319 "2019-12-12T15:49:40Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Ethics, that is for _other people_, right? > > Eric, Ivanka & Triggered-Jr [are now being forced, _forced_, to take classes](https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/trumps-children-must-undergo-mandatory-training-to-learn-how-to-avoid-defrauding-charities/) in how to not rip off charities. > > Hard stuff, really hard to understand, I wish them luck. No problem. They’ll pay someone to write the final exam for them. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39320 "2019-12-12T16:13:46Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Is it me or does Trump sound increasingly like someone who’s suffering from serious cognitive decline? His speeches at his rallies have always had a certain stream of consciousness element to them, but he’s starting to slur - his “ideas” are colliding into each other like atoms. You are so right. It’s hard to see how he can go from bad to worse, but that’s something Donnie excels at. Vox noted this: **[Trump’s speech in Hershey revealed a presidency off the rails](https://www.vox.com/2019/12/11/21010774/trump-hershey-pennsylvania-rally)** > [@](#): > > As House Democrats prepare to vote on articles of impeachment related to his alleged abuse of power and obstruction of Congress, President Donald Trump gave a speech at a campaign rally on Tuesday night in Hershey, Pennsylvania, that highlighted many of the reasons people feel that the country will struggle to withstand another year of this — even in the likely event that the Senate doesn’t end up removing him from office. > > Over the course of a more than 90-minute delivery, Trump pushed conspiracy theories and blatant lies, trashed law enforcement officials that aren’t blindly loyal to him, exhibited thuggish tendencies toward protesters, made misogynistic remarks, and demonstrated that he fundamentally misunderstands the Constitution. > > It was one of his most troubling performances in recent memory and served as a stark illustration of just how ugly Trump’s reelection campaign will be. > … > > Later, Trump referred to House Intelligence Committee Chair Adam Schiff as a “crooked bastard” and seemed to barely catch himself from wishing physical harm upon him. > > But perhaps even more ominously, Trump warned of doomsday if he doesn’t win reelection next year. > > “At stake in our present battle is the survival of the American nation itself. We will destroy our country if these people get in,” Trump said. > > When he wasn’t warning of the apocalypse if he doesn’t win a second term, Trump teased shredding the Constitution by serving as many as 29 years in office. > … ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39321 "2019-12-12T17:28:16Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Peer into the mind of Trump, a pit of stinky, writhing, squamous horrors… > > I don’t think he’s “laying the foundation” for dictatorship. He already thinks it is. He sincerely believes that if the President does it, its not illegal. And, in all morbid fascination, he has a point. Reagan sold arms to a _hostile_ foreign power, in order to raise money to support the Contras. Which Congress specifically and explicitly said he could not do. > > And he skated. Reagan and Trump both share the property that they were/are immune to scandal, but the way in which this immunity is manifested is entirely different to the point of being diametrically opposed. Reagan was the teflon president, Any mud that was thrown at him, just slid off, leaving him squeaky clean. Trump on the other hand is the mud monster president. Mud is his entire persona, so any mud that gets thrown at him has no effect except to possibly make him stronger. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39322 "2019-12-12T18:25:06Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > You are so right. It’s hard to see how he can go from bad to worse, but that’s something Donnie excels at. Vox noted this: > > **[Trump’s speech in Hershey revealed a presidency off the rails](https://www.vox.com/2019/12/11/21010774/trump-hershey-pennsylvania-rally)** Holy Cow! It boggles my mind that people can’t see that this dipshit of a moron is utterly unfit for office. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39323 "2019-12-12T18:28:52Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > Holy Cow! It boggles my mind that people can’t see that this dipshit of a moron is utterly unfit for office. Well, you know, most of the people that can’t see this probably are unfit for office themselves… ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39324 "2019-12-12T19:05:57Z")
Yeah, a lot of the people who voted for him are the kind who think that the world in The Handmaid’s Tale would be an utopia except for those uppity Handmaids that still haven’t learned their proper place. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1965) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1967)