# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1969
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39365 "2019-12-16T22:03:49Z")
Colludiani [tells the _New Yorker_](https://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-giuliani-i-needed-yovanovitch-out-of-the-way-2019-12) that he was directly involved in the (baffling) scheme to discredit ambassador Yovanovitch, because she was going to be an impediment to his efforts to find dirt on Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39366 "2019-12-16T22:05:52Z")
So Ghouliani and Solomon were conspiring? I’m totally shocked! ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2019, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39367 "2019-12-16T23:42:14Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Trump just straight up retweeted a QAnon poster. > > [https://mobile.twitter.com/kathrynw5/status/1206586971897892864?s=20](https://mobile.twitter.com/kathrynw5/status/1206586971897892864?s=20) One of the comments pointed out the Tweeter was ‘just a regular guy concerned about the “Migrent Invation” of 2018.’ ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39368 "2019-12-17T00:04:33Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > The Trump administration is going to allow banks to count loans to build sports stadiums as aid to the poor under the Community Reinvestment Act, allowing them to take a generous tax break. > > [https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-12-16/banks-may-call-nfl-stadium-financing-aid-to-poor-in-rule-change?\_\_twitter\_impression=true](https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2019-12-16/banks-may-call-nfl-stadium-financing-aid-to-poor-in-rule-change?__twitter_impression=true) Democrats are missing major opportunities to play class warfare. I’m sure they’ve pointed these kinds of scams out, but in terms of their messaging they really need to remind voters of the tax cuts that favored the rich and then this kind of stuff as well. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39369 "2019-12-17T02:56:53Z")
And Росси́я isn’t even [pretending](https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-state-television-calls-trump-211028848.html) now: > [@](#): > > As Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov returned home from his visit with President Trump in the Oval Office last week, Russian state media was gloating over the spectacle. TV channel Rossiya 1 aired a segment entitled “Puppet Master and ‘Agent’ — How to Understand Lavrov’s Meeting With Trump.” More in the video at the link. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39370 "2019-12-17T03:00:59Z")
Came one Horton’s Who away from starting a pit thread on this weasel: Democrat Jeff Van Drew, in a Trump district, must’ve gotten subsumed in a sort of Donald-Sutherland-in-a-pod way and [went to the dark side.](https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/15/politics/jeff-van-drew-aides-resign-impeachment/index.html) Heh - buncha aides bail on him, accordingly.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39371 "2019-12-17T03:23:53Z")
And Росси́я isn’t even [pretending](https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-state-television-calls-trump-211028848.html) now: > [@](#): > > As Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov returned home from his visit with President Trump in the Oval Office last week, Russian state media was gloating over the spectacle. TV channel Rossiya 1 aired a segment entitled “Puppet Master and ‘Agent’ — How to Understand Lavrov’s Meeting With Trump.” More in the video at the link. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39372 "2019-12-17T04:30:36Z")
Sorry about the double post. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39373 "2019-12-17T11:44:48Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > “I’d like to debate Jim - a very, very substantial guy.” And this really great guy, Jim. Jim is super tough and super smart. And he came to me with tears in his eyes, and he said “Please President Trump. The American people deserve to see you on a debate stage. So please let me debate you because I want to be able to say that I was on stage with the greatest President ever in the history of our great Country.” ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39374 "2019-12-17T18:18:53Z")
Paul Manafort has been [hospitalized](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-trump-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort-hospitalized-for-cardiac-event-sources/ar-BBY5DMS?ocid=spartandhp) after suffering a “cardiac event.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39375 "2019-12-17T18:23:51Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Paul Manafort has been [hospitalized](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-trump-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort-hospitalized-for-cardiac-event-sources/ar-BBY5DMS?ocid=spartandhp) after suffering a “cardiac event.” Have him tested for polonium. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39376 "2019-12-17T18:24:26Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Paul Manafort has been [hospitalized](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-trump-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort-hospitalized-for-cardiac-event-sources/ar-BBY5DMS?ocid=spartandhp) after suffering a “cardiac event.” I wish him a full and speedy recovery so he can quickly return to serving out his sentence miserably in his cell. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39377 "2019-12-17T18:25:26Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Have him tested for polonium. Oof. Good one. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39378 "2019-12-17T18:26:34Z")
You know how conservatives have a habit of accusing liberals of things they themselves either have done or would do in an instant? And remember how any time anyone tangentially related to the Clintons died, conservatives added them to the “Clinton Body Count”? Now I’m not saying that Trump is using Russian assassins provided by Putin to tie up loose ends. That would be irresponsible speculation. But someone should look into that. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39379 "2019-12-17T20:35:54Z")
Holy shit, anyone read [this 6-page letter from Trump to Pelosi?](https://www.npr.org/2019/12/17/788982994/read-president-trump-sends-pelosi-letter-protesting-partisan-impeachment-charade) It’s something…special. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39380 "2019-12-17T20:43:51Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Holy shit, anyone read [this 6-page letter from Trump to Pelosi?](https://www.npr.org/2019/12/17/788982994/read-president-trump-sends-pelosi-letter-protesting-partisan-impeachment-charade) It’s something…special. There is _no_ way he wrote a six page letter. It’s too coherent though someone did an excellent job of replicating Trump-speech. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39381 "2019-12-17T20:44:08Z")
Individual 1 sent a 6 page letter to Nancy Pelosi whining about how bad she’s treating him. > **[‘This is unhinged’: Americans gawk at ‘jarring’ 6-page letter Trump sent to...](https://www.alternet.org/2019/12/this-is-unhinged-internet-gawks-at-jarring-6-page-letter-trump-sent-to-pelosi-declaring-his-impeachment-worse-than-the-salem-witch-trials)** > > President Donald Trump on Tuesday sent a remarkable 6-page letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi denouncing the impeachment inquiry and claiming — among other things — that “more due process was afforded to those accused in the Salem Witch Trials”... I guess he never heard how some of the people convicted in the Salem witch trials were actually executed. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39382 "2019-12-17T20:47:11Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Holy shit, anyone read [this 6-page letter from Trump to Pelosi?](https://www.npr.org/2019/12/17/788982994/read-president-trump-sends-pelosi-letter-protesting-partisan-impeachment-charade) It’s something…special. Hard to take seriously anyone who uses the term “Democrat Party.” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39383 "2019-12-17T20:48:22Z")
Here’s my hoped-for response from Pelosi: \*Dear Mr. President, TL;DR. signed Nancy Pelosi (Speaker, House of Representatives)\* ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2019, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39384 "2019-12-17T20:50:30Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > There is _no_ way he wrote a six page letter. It’s too coherent though someone did an excellent job of replicating Trump-speech. Trump probably dictated it out first as a dozens-of-tweets screed and then had it converted to a letter. The use of Oxford commas and its length as a single document makes me agree Trump didn’t actually write it out himself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1968) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1970)