# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1983
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39645 "2019-12-27T15:51:28Z")
This is why the seemingly innocuous term “States Rights” still gives me the shivers. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39646 "2019-12-27T16:07:01Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Gotta link? He retweeted that disgusting Trump War Room. > ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39647 "2019-12-27T16:11:34Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > What? Bernie? Who legitimized Trump’s rants of “Lock her up!” by accusing her of stealing the election? Who was so bitter about losing he kept ranting and encouraging his fans? Ever since at least Nader, there’s been some selfish asshole doing this. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39648 "2019-12-27T16:33:49Z")
> [@margin](#): > > He retweeted that disgusting Trump War Room. > [https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1210316970090024964?s=19](https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1210316970090024964?s=19) ok - I found that and thought thats what you meant - thanks ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39649 "2019-12-27T17:31:41Z")
The “deep state” guys are starting to sound like ethical civil servants doing what they can to put the brakes on a runaway locomotive careening toward a line of stalled schoolbuses. Good for them. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39650 "2019-12-27T20:45:06Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > The “deep state” guys are starting to sound like ethical civil servants doing what they can to put the brakes on a runaway locomotive careening toward a line of stalled schoolbuses. Good for them. “Unelected bureaucrats” = “trained professionals who know their jobs and care about the Constitution.” Potato, potah-to. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39651 "2019-12-27T21:49:25Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Embarrassed to be a Texan today. > > [ **Texas could slam door on new refugees** > _White House ‘opt-in’ policy for states puts final decision in the hands of Gov. Abbott_](http://digital.olivesoftware.com/olive/ODN/SanAntonioExpressNews/shared/ShowArticle.aspx?doc=SAEN%2F2019%2F12%2F27&entity=Ar00107&sk=8710718F&mode=text) > > My bold. > > Would that the rule had been effect when [Friedrich Trump](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_family) came calling (illegally and likely to escape military service, BTW). > > So, the grandson of an illegal immigrant is surprised that the country isn’t rallying behind his call to keep out the refugees?? 😕 On that same note, I recall hearing or reading that Utah has been trying to get as many refugees as they can. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39652 "2019-12-27T22:16:28Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > On that same note, I recall hearing or reading that Utah has been trying to get as many refugees as they can. Utah and others. From the same link I posted: > [@](#): > > … > Utah Gov. Gary Herbert, a Republican who supports Trump on most issues, wrote the president that he understood there was a “logical limit” to how many refugees a state or city could accept. > > But he said Utah, founded by members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who were fleeing persecution, was “far from reaching that limit” and wanted to receive more refugees. > > “We empathize deeply with individuals and groups who have been forced from their homes, and we love giving them a new home and a new life,” Herbert said. “They become productive employees and responsible citizens.” > > In December, Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt, a Republican, told federal authorities that refugees would continue to be welcome there. > > Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee, also a Republican, took the same stance, overriding disapproval by state House and Senate leaders. > > In 2017, Tennessee sued the federal government, contending it was illegally forcing states to pay costs related to refugee resettlement. > > A federal appeals court panel in October refused to hear the state’s argument, leaving the U.S. Supreme Court as its last resort. > > In a statement, Lee said the United States and Tennessee always have been a “shining beacon of freedom and opportunity for the persecuted and oppressed, particularly those suffering religious persecution.” Lee said his commitment was based on his Christian faith. > > North Dakota Gov. Doug Bur-gum, a Republican in a deeply conservative state, said he, too, supported admitting refugees as long as local authorities consented. > > And in Nebraska, Gov. Pete Ricketts, a Republican who joined Abbott and 29 mostly GOP governors to oppose the resettlement of Syrian refugees in 2015, wrote Trump last week that he appreciated the administration’s enhanced security screenings and that his state, along with Iowa and South Dakota, would continue to admit refugees. > … Not every Republican governor is [del]bending over before[/del] in lock step with with DJT. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2019, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39653 "2019-12-28T00:33:58Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Utah and others. Yes. [This article](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-midwest-immigrant-populations-met-20170918-story.html) has a map showing the percent increase of immigrants–many coming as refugees–in various cities of the Mid-West. They are helping to revitalize dying local economies, so they are welcomed. Trump’s ethno-nationalist bullshit fantasy narratives defy the reality that people can see and experience, but the propaganda machine, via Fox, Facebook, etc., is so pervasive that it displaces reality. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39654 "2019-12-28T19:23:00Z")
Somebody with access to Individual 1’s Twitter account deleted his retweet that named the whistleblower. > **[Trump Retweets Post That Publicized Alleged Ukraine Whistleblower](https://www.newsweek.com/trump-names-ukraine-whistlelbower-deletes-retweet-claims-broke-federal-protection-laws-retaliation-1479472)** > > The retweet prompted allegations the president directly broke federal regulations that safeguard such figures from retaliation. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39655 "2019-12-28T19:25:10Z")
Individual 1 retweeted a claim that Nancy Pelosi’s son is involved in Ukrainian corruption, even though the claim has already been debunked. > **[Trump Promotes Video That Implies Pelosi’s Son Involved In Ukrainian...](https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-promotes-video-that-implies-pelosis-son-involved-in-ukrainian-corruption)** > **[Was Nancy Pelosi’s Son an Exec at a Gas Company That Did Business in Ukraine?](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pelosi-jr-ukraine/)** > > The claim rests on the existence of an invention allegedly capable of providing cheap energy to billions of people around the world without using fossil fuels. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2019, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39656 "2019-12-29T03:59:40Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > Yes. [This article](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-midwest-immigrant-populations-met-20170918-story.html) has a map showing the percent increase of immigrants–many coming as refugees–in various cities of the Mid-West. They are helping to revitalize dying local economies, so they are welcomed. > > Trump’s ethno-nationalist bullshit fantasy narratives defy the reality that people can see and experience, but the propaganda machine, via Fox, Facebook, etc., is so pervasive that it displaces reality. My beloved St. Louis benefited greatly from the influx of immigrants from the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s. We now have a thriving Bosnian community. I’d be happy to see more people move into the region. StL is great! Please come! ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2019, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39657 "2019-12-29T07:24:41Z")
Just as long as they don’t have to become fans of the Cardinals. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2019, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39658 "2019-12-29T13:30:03Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Somebody with access to Individual 1’s Twitter account deleted his retweet that named the whistleblower. > [Trump Retweets Post That Publicized Alleged Ukraine Whistleblower, Critics Say President Violated Retaliation Laws](https://www.newsweek.com/trump-names-ukraine-whistlelbower-deletes-retweet-claims-broke-federal-protection-laws-retaliation-1479472) Oops. That re-tweet wasn’t deleted after all. It was a glitch in Twitter that made that, and much else, disappear in parts of the world. That has been fixed, and all those missing tweets are there. The Newsweek article linked above has been updated to say so. Here also is a summary story about it at Raw Story: [Trump did not actually delete tweet outing the whistleblower — it is ‘visible all around the world’](https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/trump-did-not-actually-delete-tweet-outing-the-whistleblower-it-is-visible-all-around-the-world/) I read somewhere that Twitter has ruled that this is NOT a violation of its TOS. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39659 "2019-12-29T17:19:55Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Oops. That re-tweet wasn’t deleted after all. It was a glitch in Twitter that made that, and much else, disappear in parts of the world. That has been fixed, and all those missing tweets are there. > > The Newsweek article linked above has been updated to say so. Here also is a summary story about it at Raw Story: > [Trump did not actually delete tweet outing the whistleblower — it is ‘visible all around the world’](https://www.rawstory.com/2019/12/trump-did-not-actually-delete-tweet-outing-the-whistleblower-it-is-visible-all-around-the-world/) > > I read somewhere that Twitter has ruled that this is NOT a violation of its TOS. :smack: Twitter came up with an algorithm that weeded out Nazis and white supremacists. It also turned up a lot of Republicans, so they invalidated the algorithm rather than the hatemongers. Oh, and here’s the delightful sort of assholes who vote for Trump. [That’s a former member of Roy Moore’s staff, calling a 12-year-old rape victim a murderer.](https://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2017/07/conservative-christians-attack-12-year-old-rape-victim-seeking-abortion/?fbclid=IwAR2J9jp9sbqJYtJnB6dstES06jpVKq-BlL10MzxZWYhOTJaPUmbJZBLTPVg) They don’t appear to have any interest in calling the rapist _anything_ at all. The only difference between them and the fundie Muslims they rail about is opportunity and style of clothing. With all those nutjob judges they’re putting in place, they’re hoping to give themselves the opportunity to have their very own American-style Iran really soon. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39660 "2019-12-29T17:28:07Z")
Not sure what thread this is most appropriate in so I ended up here: [Ex-Christian publication editor who quit says he had ‘no other choice’ after pro-Trump editorial](https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/26/politics/napp-nazworth-christian-editor-trump-cnntv/index.html) > [@](#): > > “When I was told this would be the position of the paper, of the news site, I said that’s not something I can support,” Napp Nazworth, who announced on Monday that he had resigned from The Christian Post, told CNN’s Alisyn Camerota on “New Day.” > > Nazworth’s resignation came amid a heated debate among evangelicals about Trump, who enjoys overwhelming support from the community despite his controversial public behavior and comments. > > The controversy began last week, when a rival publication, Christianity Today, published an op-ed that called Trump morally unfit for office and called for his removal. In response, The Christian Post denounced the article, insisting that Trump’s support among evangelicals remains strong and slamming the impeachment process – arguing that a “government of elites” has compromised constitutional due process. > > “We’ve never sounded like that before. That’s not the types of positions we take in the past,” Nazworth told CNN on Thursday, adding that his former employer’s position on impeachment sounds like “some odd sort of conspiratorial thinking.” > [@](#): > > Nazworth brought up how the editors had all worked together previously on an anti-Trump editorial in 2016 with the headline “[Donald Trump is a scam.](https://www.christianpost.com/news/donald-trump-scam-evangelical-voters-back-away-cp-editorial.html)” > > “We all agreed back then and understood who Donald Trump was,” Nazworth said. “I didn’t change my mind about Donald Trump, but some of the other editors did.” > > “I’m worried now that without me there, that, you know it will no longer be a place that presents the alternative view to team Trump and the evangelicals who support him,” Nazworth said. > He added that he didn’t want to leave. > > “I warned them. If you go down this road and join team Trump, then that will destroy the reputation of The Christian Post,” Nazworth said, adding, “We had reached the impasse and I really had no other choice but to leave.” Now I’m conflicted. I don’t care for Mr. Trump (and his family and friends, etc.), but if he’s hastening the downfall of the American Evangelical… well, it’s just hard for me to see that as a negative, is all I’m saying. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2019, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39661 "2019-12-29T17:37:00Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Not sure what thread this is most appropriate in so I ended up here: [Ex-Christian publication editor who quit says he had ‘no other choice’ after pro-Trump editorial](https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/26/politics/napp-nazworth-christian-editor-trump-cnntv/index.html)Now I’m conflicted. I don’t care for Mr. Trump (and his family and friends, etc.), **but if he’s hastening the downfall of the American Evangelical** … well, it’s just hard for me to see that as a negative, is all I’m saying. > > 😃 God really does work in fucking mysterious ways. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39662 "2019-12-29T17:55:32Z")
More than 100 Gold Star families are suing several defense contractors for paying off the Taliban in order to keep their facilities from being attacked. [Defense Contractors Paid 'Protection Money' To Taliban, Lawsuit Alleges : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2019/12/28/792065458/gold-star-families-sue-defense-contractors-alleging-they-funded-the-taliban)? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39663 "2019-12-29T18:02:58Z")
> [@](#): > > “The central issue here is the Pentagon’s reliance on contractors in war zones,” said Andrew Bacevich, professor emeritus of international relations and history at Boston University. **"In the old days, the U.S. military when at war was largely self-sufficient. Today, the U.S. military is heavily dependent on profit-making enterprises, which inevitably privilege the bottom line over other considerations.** I don’t know whether the evidence will sustain the plaintiffs in this case, but I sure wouldn’t be surprised." (bolding mine) Aye; that’s why countries have a military in the first place: to make sure that the interests of the country are put first. You can’t outsource that. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39664 "2019-12-30T00:55:50Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Aye; that’s why countries have a military in the first place: to make sure that the interests of the country are put first. You can’t outsource that. You can if the voters let you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1982) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1984)