# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1988
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39745 "2020-01-04T01:38:52Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Pence is now claiming [Iran was responsible for 9/11.](https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/mike-pence-blames-iran-for-9-11-attacks-but-the-official-commission-found-the-opposite/) > > Theyre really just dusting off the same playbook from 17 years ago to beguile the public into supporting another unnecessary war. Get ready for “you’re either with us or against us”, " we can’t let the smoking gun be a mushroom cloud", “it’s unpatriotic to oppose the president when we’re at war”, and “we can’t change horses midstream”. Iran/Iraq. Whatever. Pence knows they both start with “I”, and they are full of brown people, so whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39746 "2020-01-04T02:11:32Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Iran/Iraq. Whatever. Pence knows they both start with “I”, and they are full of brown people, so whatever. No, pence actually does know better. But he also knows that the administration’s supporters don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39747 "2020-01-04T04:36:00Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Pence is now claiming [Iran was responsible for 9/11.](https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/mike-pence-blames-iran-for-9-11-attacks-but-the-official-commission-found-the-opposite/) > > Theyre really just dusting off the same playbook from 17 years ago to beguile the public into supporting another unnecessary war. Get ready for “you’re either with us or against us” I’ll just leave [that there](https://twitter.com/Mikel_Jollett/status/1213205063994232832), then. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39748 "2020-01-04T05:46:34Z")
The assassination of Suleimani reminded me of something. Took me a bit to remember. In 2006, the Duma passed a law which gave Russia the ability to neutralize enemies of Russia…on foreign soil, at the sole discretion of Vladimir Putin. He is not required to notify or acknowledge these acts. Alexander Litvinenko was promptly murdered. This killing has echoes of that. It turns out the “enemies” of Russia are critics and rivals of Vladimir Putin. I always wondered about Jamal Khashoggi. Six months before the Saudis murdered him, they disciplined him----for criticizing Trump. Trump has the thinnest of skins under the best of circumstances, but being criticized by a smartypants brown-skinned Muslim would drive him batshit. Trump likes to call the press “the enemy of the people.” Now that he’s openly killed somebody, and the outcry is not that loud, who’s next on his list? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39749 "2020-01-04T05:59:23Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Now that he’s openly killed somebody, and the outcry is not that loud, who’s next on his list? Seriously, **marge** , look me in the eye and declare with a straight face that you believe that Cheeto-Faced-ShitGibbon actually knew who Soleimani was and had heard of him before yesterday. Come on, now, really? ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39750 "2020-01-04T06:16:22Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Seriously, **marge** , look me in the eye and declare with a straight face that you believe that Cheeto-Faced-ShitGibbon actually knew who Soleimani was and had heard of him before yesterday. Come on, now, really? Christ, I thought the bar was low enough. Anybody got a shovel? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39751 "2020-01-04T06:25:01Z")
If you scroll back a few posts, it will be evident that the OvalOfficeMycellium has a cranium loosely packed with casu marzu (not shaken out). He has barely enough neural function to support making word noises that fit together. To expect him to hold things in his memory is passing fantasy. Our president is a crumbling husk. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39752 "2020-01-04T06:46:08Z")
To wit, [this exchange](https://twitter.com/TPM/status/639853101961318401/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.macrumors.com%2Fthreads%2Ftrump-is-a-moron.2217699%2Fpage-3): Hugh Hewitt: **Are you familiar with general Soleimani?** CFSG: **Yes, but go ahead, give me a little, go ahead, tell me. He runs the Quds Forces. Yes, ok, right. Do you expect his behavior— The Kurds, by the way, have been horribly mistreated by us. No, not the Kurds, the Quds Forces, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Quds Forces. Yes, yes. The Bad Guys. Right. Do you expect his behavior to change as a result— Oh, I thought you said Kurds, Kurds.** This man is terrifyingly broken. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39753 "2020-01-04T08:09:28Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > To wit, [this exchange](https://twitter.com/TPM/status/639853101961318401/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.macrumors.com%2Fthreads%2Ftrump-is-a-moron.2217699%2Fpage-3): > > Hugh Hewitt: **Are you familiar with general Soleimani?** > CFSG: **Yes, but go ahead, give me a little, go ahead, tell me. > He runs the Quds Forces. > Yes, ok, right. > Do you expect his behavior— > The Kurds, by the way, have been horribly mistreated by us. > No, not the Kurds, the Quds Forces, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Quds Forces. > Yes, yes. > The Bad Guys. > Right. > Do you expect his behavior to change as a result— > Oh, I thought you said Kurds, Kurds.** > > This man is terrifyingly broken. This actually makes him sound articulate compared to the noises he actually makes. Has he finished a sentence even once since he was elected? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39754 "2020-01-04T08:35:07Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Has he finished a sentence even once since he was elected? Most of us are more interested in seeing him _start_ a sentence – not the kind that is composed of words. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39755 "2020-01-04T18:13:03Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > That Trump might not have understood the ramifications of his actions seems fair. > > But, by that standard, you’re framing Trump any time you ask him to make a Presidential decision. _Might not_? He’s just initiated another fucking war in the Middle East, and probably another major terror attack right here at home. I’d say the odds of him not understanding what he has done are a dead lock. But at least he can now tell his moronic following what a brave little soldier he is as they send their children off to die. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39756 "2020-01-04T18:35:48Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > To wit, [this exchange](https://twitter.com/TPM/status/639853101961318401/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.macrumors.com%2Fthreads%2Ftrump-is-a-moron.2217699%2Fpage-3): > > Hugh Hewitt: **Are you familiar with general Soleimani?** > CFSG: **Yes, but go ahead, give me a little, go ahead, tell me. > He runs the Quds Forces. > Yes, ok, right. > Do you expect his behavior— > The Kurds, by the way, have been horribly mistreated by us. > No, not the Kurds, the Quds Forces, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Quds Forces. > Yes, yes. > The Bad Guys. > Right. > Do you expect his behavior to change as a result— > Oh, I thought you said Kurds, Kurds.** > > This man is terrifyingly broken. Trump 2015: “The Kurds have been horribly mistreated by us.” Trump 2019: wanna see some horrible treatment, hold my diet Coke ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39757 "2020-01-04T19:46:47Z")
Individual 1 held one of us Nuremberg rallies at the Ministerio Internacional El Rey Jesús church in Miami last night. The pastor of the church made sure to tell all of his congregants that if they came to the rally, they wouldn’t have to worry about being deported. Individual 1 then told us about how it was so great that he killed Soleimani, that we can all say Merry Christmas again, that the Republicans will take back the House so the impeachment will be void, and that the members of The Squad are anti-Semitic. > **[Donald Trump And His Evangelical Followers Prayed For Some Very Weird Stuff...](https://god.dailydot.com/donald-trump-and-his-evangelical-followers-prayed-for-some-very-weird-stuff-in-miami-this-weekend/)** > > Totally normal stuff. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39758 "2020-01-04T20:01:06Z")
> [@margin](#): > > This actually makes him sound articulate compared to the noises he actually makes. > > Has he finished a sentence even once since he was elected? A sentence?.. The orange assclown has never completed a thought. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39759 "2020-01-04T20:05:56Z")
One of the on-screen banners on Lou Dobbs’ show said “TRUMP SECURES ANOTHER MIDDLE EAST VICTORY.” He said that Trump has “set a standard” for presidents “that most mortals won’t be able to meet. He out-works them, he out-thinks, he is remarkably resourceful, he’s bright, his judgment is second to none.” We are now in “Kim Jong-un wins the Olympics” territory. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39760 "2020-01-04T22:20:15Z")
> [@margin](#): > > Has he finished a sentence even once since he was elected? Indeed! > [@](#): > > You also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39761 "2020-01-05T02:13:14Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > One of the on-screen banners on Lou Dobbs’ show said “TRUMP SECURES ANOTHER MIDDLE EAST VICTORY.” > > He said that Trump has “set a standard” for presidents “that most mortals won’t be able to meet. He out-works them, he out-thinks, he is remarkably resourceful, he’s bright, his judgment is second to none.” > > We are now in “Kim Jong-un wins the Olympics” territory. Given that his whole thing is that we should be pulling out of the Middle East, Russia, and elsewhere, not getting involved or wasting money abroad, then “scoring a victory”, should be an equivalent statement to “kicked the ball into his own team’s goal” by any sane standard. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39762 "2020-01-05T02:57:11Z")
> [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > One of the on-screen banners on Lou Dobbs’ show said “TRUMP SECURES ANOTHER MIDDLE EAST VICTORY.” > > He said that Trump has “set a standard” for presidents “that most mortals won’t be able to meet. He out-works them, he out-thinks, he is remarkably resourceful, he’s bright, his judgment is second to none.” > > We are now in “Kim Jong-un wins the Olympics” territory. Is he saying the US needs to vote in Immortals from now on ? IDGI, I thought he and Persians were beefing ? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39763 "2020-01-05T02:58:43Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > Given that his whole thing is that we should be pulling out of the Middle East, Russia, and elsewhere, not getting involved or wasting money abroad, then “scoring a victory”, should be an equivalent statement to “kicked the ball into his own team’s goal” by any sane standard. And to be fair, precious few Presidents have ever done that deliberately. So write that down : new. standard. set. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2020, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39764 "2020-01-05T06:21:29Z")
Individual 1 just threatened to commit a war crime. “targeted 52 Iranian sites (representing the 52 American hostages taken by Iran many years ago), some at a very high level & important to Iran & the Iranian culture, and those targets, and Iran itself, WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD. The USA wants no more threats!” > Attacking culturally relevant sites is a violation of the Geneva Convention. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1987) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1989)