# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1993
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39845 "2020-01-07T18:19:29Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > [Mar-a-Lago Guests and Israel Had More Prior Knowledge of Strike on Soleimani Than Democratic Leaders](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/mar-a-lago-guests-and-israel-had-more-prior-knowledge-of-strike-on-soleimani-than-democratic-leaders-933672/amp/) > > Now, was Trump doing this because he’s a blithering idiot, or, was he trying to tell his Mar-a-Lago members to buy defense contractor stock? It can’t be both? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39846 "2020-01-07T20:03:57Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Now, was Trump doing this because he’s a blithering idiot, or, was he trying to tell his Mar-a-Lago members to buy defense contractor stock? The former; Trump despises the very concept of helping others. If he thought the people he was talking to would benefit from it, that would be one of the few things that could shut him up. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39847 "2020-01-07T20:31:00Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The former; Trump despises the very concept of helping others. If he thought the people he was talking to would benefit from it, that would be one of the few things that could shut him up. I don’t know about that. I understand he’s very big on the whole quid pro quo thing. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39848 "2020-01-07T20:53:12Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > I don’t know about that. I understand he’s very big on the whole quid pro quo thing. That’s not about helping people. That’s about convincing other people to help him by doing the bare minimum (preferably just empty promises) for them. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39849 "2020-01-07T21:07:13Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > So many people will line up to piss on his grave they’ll have to bury him in a sponge coffin. “He’s so low, when they bury him they’ll have to dig up.” ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39850 "2020-01-07T22:35:51Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yes, and that project could be greatly aided by the creation of false-flag attacks on US soil that would finger Muslims as perpetrators–thereby justifying additional US operations targeting various Middle East persons and resources. Too complicated with too much of a chance to go wrong. Far easier to simply goad Muslims into orchestrating a true flag attack on Americans by say assassinating the highly respected political leader of a large Muslim country. That is one of the most annoying aspects of this whole affair. The main negative consequence of this foolish action, namely the inevitable retaliatory attacks against Americans, is precisely the thing that will be pointed to as the reason it was the right thing to do. “See the rocket attack on our Embassy in Saudi Arabia just demonstrates how bad the Iranians are and how right Trump was to take aggressive action against them.” :smack: ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39851 "2020-01-07T22:37:57Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > It would be an attack on civilians, so I doubt even Iran would follow through. Also, attacking the property of Individual-1 would be a sure way to get him to lash out. > > However, it is a genius move if you want to discourage potential customers of Trump businesses… I think that is what they’re after… dissuade his customers and affect his “businesses”. The guy is a grifter. He can’t run a business for shit, they all went belly up (like who the FUCK goes bust with a casino) but now he “licenses” his name… for whatever the fuck that is worth. If his “brand” goes down the toilet, so does he. It’s a brilliant plan if it works. If they can wreck his brand, they won’t have to fire a single shot. I like how they fixed the blame exactly where it belongs too. Squarely on Trump. Trump has been trying to push them toward war ever since he tore up the nuclear agreement - which Obama signed and our now FORMER allies signed, and to which they were complying - and instituted his bogus “sanctions”. I have a “special” problem with a “bone spur” having draft dodging coward trying to send everyone else to war, to salve his ego and deflect from impeachment. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2020, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39852 "2020-01-07T23:49:04Z")
CNN is now reporting that the airbase (Al-Asad) Trump was saying Iraq would have to compensate the US for if we were kicked out has been attacked with some rockets. [Iranians take credit for rocket attack on base housing US troops](https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/rockets-us-airbase-iraq/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39853 "2020-01-08T00:16:54Z")
It’s real now. I wonder who has the job of keeping the orange dipshit in a straight jacket to keep his short, fat finger off the nuclear button while this missile attack takes place. I also wonder if Pompeo may suffer the usual firing by Trump for having “steered him wrong.” Gotta blame someone. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39854 "2020-01-08T00:35:33Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > It’s real now. > > I wonder who has the job of keeping the orange dipshit in a straight jacket to keep his short, fat finger off the nuclear button while this missile attack takes place. > > I also wonder if Pompeo may suffer the usual firing by Trump for having “steered him wrong.” Gotta blame someone. If only all those psychiatrists weren’t out there calling him crazy and making him do stuff to prove that he’s not ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39855 "2020-01-08T01:04:47Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > The main negative consequence of this foolish action, namely the inevitable retaliatory attacks against Americans, is precisely the thing that will be pointed to as the reason it was the right thing to do. > > “See the rocket attack on our Embassy in Saudi Arabia just demonstrates how bad the Iranians are and how right Trump was to take aggressive action against them.” :smack: All too likely. > [@Aspenglow](#): > > I wonder who has the job of keeping the orange dipshit in a straight jacket to keep his short, fat finger off the nuclear button while this missile attack takes place. You think there’s someone doing that? You are a greater optimist than I—I can’t help remembering that US military leaders went right along with the ‘assassinate a foreign nation’s general’ plan. Why would these same people stop Trump from launching nukes? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39856 "2020-01-08T01:13:52Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > You think there’s someone doing that? You are a greater optimist than I—I can’t help remembering that US military leaders went right along with the ‘assassinate a foreign nation’s general’ plan. Why would these same people stop Trump from launching nukes? You’re right. I am prone to irrational optimism. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39857 "2020-01-08T02:10:58Z")
We know why he did this. He has impeachment coming up, and it might be the last chance to kill someone. His base have their ears up for this stuff. He gets to: take credit for being a real grown up potus, have real blood on his hands, and advance his interests by distraction. Killing someone means much much more for all his fascist fans than any strategy. In any case it goes back to terps mind alone, is he gatherig his narcissistic supply, and really just thinking about a notional atavistic delusional base, who will save him from the SDNY, rather than any idea of world affairs. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39858 "2020-01-08T02:11:39Z")
The Trump nightmare is just gettin’ started. This is where the ‘fun’ begins. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39859 "2020-01-08T02:36:25Z")
> [@Tatterdemalion](#): > > I don’t know about that. I understand he’s very big on the whole quid pro quo thing. > [@Gorsnak](#): > > That’s not about helping people. That’s about convincing other people to help him by doing the bare minimum (preferably just empty promises) for them. This; he’s notorious for not keeping his end of any deal. He thinks that the \*only \*“good deal” is one that is totally one sided. If he’s not cheating somebody, then he’ll consider that as him losing. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39860 "2020-01-08T02:55:47Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > You think there’s someone doing that? You are a greater optimist than I—I can’t help remembering that US military leaders went right along with the ‘assassinate a foreign nation’s general’ plan. Why would these same people stop Trump from launching nukes? Now, now, I have it on good authority that several military reps were “flabbergasted” that Trump chose the Suleimani assassination. Not that that stopped them from carrying out their orders, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39861 "2020-01-08T03:21:45Z")
“I was just following orders”. Been nice knowing you all. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39862 "2020-01-08T03:21:57Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > CNN is now reporting that the airbase (Al-Asad) Trump was saying Iraq would have to compensate the US for if we were kicked out has been attacked with some rockets. > > [Iranians take credit for rocket attack on base housing US troops](https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics/rockets-us-airbase-iraq/index.html) Iran’s Foreign Mnister - tweets > [@Javad Zarif](#): > > Iran took & concluded proportionate measures in self-defense under Article 51 of UN Charter targeting base from which cowardly armed attack against our citizens & senior officials were launched. > > We do not seek escalation or war, but will defend ourselves against any aggression. Shorter version - “We’re done if you are.” ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39863 "2020-01-08T03:31:57Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > This; he’s notorious for not keeping his end of any deal. He thinks that the \*only \*“good deal” is one that is totally one sided. If he’s not cheating somebody, then he’ll consider that as him losing. Well, insider trading in defense stocks (which was the original context of my comment) is certainly cheating. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2020, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39864 "2020-01-08T03:32:10Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > Iran’s Foreign Mnister - tweets > Shorter version - “We’re done if you are.” If no US soldiers were killed, hopefully that will be the end, or the beginning of the end. That is our only hope. If US soldiers were killed, it’s war. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1992) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1994)