# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2000
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39985 "2020-01-18T02:40:25Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > It was my attempt to match your (IMHO) stupid comment with one of my own. Did I succeed? I was commenting on a quote you posted, offering my opinion on a quote from a book. You were, and still are, being a fucking dick. Aspenglow’s reply to my comment was thoughtful and respectful. She disagreed, she explained why. You, on the other hand, apparently have a bent stick up your ass, and for some reason have taken my suspicion over some reporting as a personal attack on you. But if you just want to be an unpleasant git, you do you. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39986 "2020-01-18T03:27:34Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I was commenting on a quote you posted, offering my opinion on a quote from a book. You were, and still are, being a fucking dick. > > Aspenglow’s reply to my comment was thoughtful and respectful. She disagreed, she explained why. You, on the other hand, apparently have a bent stick up your ass, and for some reason have taken my suspicion over some reporting as a personal attack on you. > > But if you just want to be an unpleasant git, you do you. Simmer down, Bubba. I know you can do it. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39987 "2020-01-18T03:37:29Z")
Holy shit who pissed in your grape nuts? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39988 "2020-01-18T04:02:13Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Nobidy really cares what you do–or do not–believe. Ok. Thanks for letting me know! ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39989 "2020-01-18T05:17:35Z")
Hey everybody, I have a GQ-worthy question, but as long as we’re talking about Lev Parnas here, this is probably a fair place for it. Does anybody know (or can find out) when Lev Parnas became an American citizen? I was quickly able to find some sources (Wikipedia and The Guardian) that he was born in 1972 in then-Soviet Ukraine and came to the United States at the age of 3, and is a U. S. citizen. But I couldn’t find any cites saying when he became a U. S. citizen. My neighbor and I got to wondering while watching Rachel, Matthews, Hayes, _et al_ tonight. Anybody can help us here? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39990 "2020-01-18T05:31:40Z")
[The Space Force has woodland camo uniforms,](https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/why-do-we-need-camo-in-space-trumps-space-force-ridiculed-for-woodland-camouflage-uniforms/) just in case we ever have to fight a battle on the forest moon of Endor. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39991 "2020-01-18T05:57:46Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Hey everybody, I have a GQ-worthy question, but as long as we’re talking about Lev Parnas here, this is probably a fair place for it. > > Does anybody know (or can find out) when Lev Parnas became an American citizen? > > I was quickly able to find some sources (Wikipedia and The Guardian) that he was born in 1972 in then-Soviet Ukraine and came to the United States at the age of 3, and is a U. S. citizen. But I couldn’t find any cites saying when he became a U. S. citizen. > > My neighbor and I got to wondering while watching Rachel, Matthews, Hayes, _et al_ tonight. Anybody can help us here? I wanted to know about this, too, ever since I first heard of him. Have never been able to find out any info. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39992 "2020-01-18T06:03:31Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > Hey everybody, I have a GQ-worthy question, but as long as we’re talking about Lev Parnas here, this is probably a fair place for it. > > Does anybody know (or can find out) when Lev Parnas became an American citizen? > > I was quickly able to find some sources (Wikipedia and The Guardian) that he was born in 1972 in then-Soviet Ukraine and came to the United States at the age of 3, and is a U. S. citizen. But I couldn’t find any cites saying when he became a U. S. citizen. > > My neighbor and I got to wondering while watching Rachel, Matthews, Hayes, _et al_ tonight. Anybody can help us here? I’m just speculating here but the absence of any reports of his becoming an American citizen as an adult suggests he probably became one as a child. Under current American law\* if his parents became naturalized citizens while he was still a minor, he would have automatically become a citizen with them. \*Complicating this surmise is the fact that the current law was enacted in 2001. So it wouldn’t have existed when Parnas was a minor. I can’t find out if the law that existed before 2001 also had this automatic citizenship for minors. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39993 "2020-01-18T06:07:42Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Phil Rucker is the White House Bureau Chief for the Washington Post. That guy must never sleep. He is frequently on several MSNBC shows from early morning to late night, and for all I know, on other stations as well. I’ve often wondered how he could be on TV so many hours per day and still do his day job. Now it turns out that he’s been writing a book during the same period. And here I am, considering it a good week if I get my garbage cans out before the truck comes by. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39994 "2020-01-18T06:27:15Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > . . . And here I am, considering it a good week if I get my garbage cans out before the truck comes by. I didn’t even manage that this week. (Really.) Yer doin’ good. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39995 "2020-01-18T06:39:55Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [The Space Force has woodland camo uniforms,](https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/why-do-we-need-camo-in-space-trumps-space-force-ridiculed-for-woodland-camouflage-uniforms/) just in case we ever have to fight a battle on the forest moon of Endor. In space, no one can hear you hide in the forest. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39996 "2020-01-18T07:00:25Z")
If a tree falls in space, does … wait … ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39997 "2020-01-18T07:17:40Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > That guy must never sleep. He is frequently on several MSNBC shows from early morning to late night, and for all I know, on other stations as well. I’ve often wondered how he could be on TV so many hours per day and still do his day job. > > Now it turns out that he’s been writing a book during the same period. And here I am, considering it a good week if I get my garbage cans out before the truck comes by. I hear you. I catch him frequently doing his analyses on MSNBC, yet he still manages to get all the best scoops and write the best stories. Taking nothing from the accomplishment, “A Very Stable Genius” probably more or less wrote itself. Rucker is better connected than anyone else in the business. Leonnig, too. I imagine they decided to write their book on the night Trump “won” the election and simply tucked away all the best anecdotes as angry sources shared them. Gaining confirmations would have been easier to do in the moment, too – not like trying to go back and confirm stories after the fact. Still, like you I am in awe of Rucker’s energy and accomplishments. I couldn’t hold a candle to him. ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39998 "2020-01-18T07:17:54Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Honestly, I have a hard time believing that Bannon quote. That one line from Pelosi sent shivers down his neck? Nope. It was the only moment of reality Bannon ever had . What do you want? ---
**Author:** ![margin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@margin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/margin)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/39999 "2020-01-18T07:21:20Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Good lord ThelmaLou, what the fuck is wrong with you sometimes? Did you vote for Trump? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/40000 "2020-01-18T09:47:29Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > If a tree falls in space, does … wait … No. No it does not. This much at least we know. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/40001 "2020-01-18T15:27:10Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > [The Space Force has woodland camo uniforms,](https://www.rawstory.com/2020/01/why-do-we-need-camo-in-space-trumps-space-force-ridiculed-for-woodland-camouflage-uniforms/) just in case we ever have to fight a battle on the forest moon of Endor. I am SO disappointed that they aren’t storm trooper uniforms. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/40002 "2020-01-18T16:52:42Z")
The latest [tell-all book revelation](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/478821-trump-at-pentagon-in-2017-youre-a-bunch-of-dopes-and-babies): Napoleon Boneyspurs had a toddler temper tantrum at a meeting with top military brass in which he denounced them as “dopes” and “babies”. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/40003 "2020-01-18T17:29:41Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > I am SO disappointed that they aren’t storm trooper uniforms. For many nations, \*\*red \*\*was traditionally the military color, until guns made it imperative to try to camouflage one’s position. In space, this is not an important factor, so let’s shoot for the moon: make america zardoz again. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/40004 "2020-01-18T17:39:47Z")
> [@Mijin](#): > > For many nations, \*\*red \*\*was traditionally the military color, until guns made it imperative to try to camouflage one’s position. In space, this is not an important factor, so let’s shoot for the moon: make america zardoz again. Red shirts? Count me [out](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Redshirt). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=1999) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2001)