# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2061
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41205 "2020-03-10T17:18:15Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Sure. "It’s Obama’s fault! It’s Obamacare! Democrats did this! Only I can stop this by being re-elected. Don’t let the fake news win! > > Yokel - “Well, garsh! I better vote Trump again or else things will only get worse with those socialist Democrats! President said!” > > :rolleyes: In a recent conversation with my FoxNews-watching, Trump-supporting FIL, he 1) made sneering remarks about “socialist healthcare”, and 2) complained about a recent $4000 medical bill. For an otherwise intelligent man, his self-awareness and critical thinking skills have been severely damaged by his choice of news outlets. And he’s not remotely the only one. Some people, presented with one and one, put them together and get “Benghazi! Socialism! MAGA!” instead of “two”. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41206 "2020-03-10T21:23:24Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > In a recent conversation with my FoxNews-watching, Trump-supporting FIL, he 1) made sneering remarks about “socialist healthcare”, and 2) complained about a recent $4000 medical bill. > > For an otherwise intelligent man, his self-awareness and critical thinking skills have been severely damaged by his choice of news outlets. And he’s not remotely the only one. Some people, presented with one and one, put them together and get “Benghazi! Socialism! MAGA!” instead of “two”. I’m reminded of a comment made by a Trump supporter about how bad Obamacare was. When he was asked about his own insurance, he said “I don’t have Obamacare, I’m covered by the ACA.” ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41207 "2020-03-11T00:42:59Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > \ When confronted with a world in which their mother is left to drown in her **won mucus** […]\ I hope to Og that that’s a typo… [Emphasis in quote mine] ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41208 "2020-03-11T00:48:20Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > To balance my previous optimistic post, here’s a cloud to darken your day. There is also the possibility that one side is concerned about gathering in large groups at crowed urban polling stations and so stays home, while the other side is convinced that the corona virus is just a bad cold, and no reason not to head to the polls. But that’s November. As I’ve said before, if we’re still at that level or worse of infection and panic in seven months, then the country, or human civilization, is in deep and serious trouble and the election will be the least of our problems. I think that if that doesn’t come to pass, then most of the coronavirus impact will be political and not practical. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41209 "2020-03-11T01:09:41Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I’m reminded of a comment made by a Trump supporter about how bad Obamacare was. When he was asked about his own insurance, he said “I don’t have Obamacare, I’m covered by the ACA.” I work with lots of that guy. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41210 "2020-03-11T01:31:15Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I’m reminded of a comment made by a Trump supporter about how bad Obamacare was. When he was asked about his own insurance, he said “I don’t have Obamacare, I’m covered by the ACA.” Please tell me you informed him, politely even, that ACA is “Obamacare”. And share his reaction with us. Pretty please? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41211 "2020-03-11T01:39:47Z")
I’ve tried that. All I got was an insistent “no it isn’t” several times followed by a semi-exasperated “you don’t know what you’re talking about” as they walked away. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41212 "2020-03-11T01:54:41Z")
Sadly, that’s exactly what I thought happened. No doubt he also accused you of being, as I have been accused by such persons, “alt left”. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41213 "2020-03-11T02:07:10Z")
Nah; that kind of categorizing was waaaaaaaay over their head. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41214 "2020-03-11T02:08:50Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Please tell me you informed him, politely even, that ACA is “Obamacare”. And share his reaction with us. Pretty please? Actually, I make a point to do this at all our health enrollment meetings. A lot of people know, some are startled, once or twice they (always, ALWAYS white men) argue. The line I use is: "The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, gives you the following protections which were not available prior to Obamacare and which the Trump Administration is currently arguing in court to take away: 1. Pre-existing conditions coverage 2. Spending caps on _you_. There is a maximum amount you will have to pay. 3. No spending caps on behalf of the insurance company in keeping you healthy- if the cost of your treatment is $2,000,000, they eat all of it except your maximum out-of-pocket." ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41215 "2020-03-11T02:20:05Z")
I do get a kick out of those folks who whine about Obamacare/ACA being “socialized medicine” and then bitch about how bad that is. Really? It can’t be that bad. Our military has completely socialized\* medicine and, in my experience, it’s pretty damn good. South Korea has socialized medicine, and it’s really damn good. Actually–and I think I’ve posted this stance on this board before–I think the United States should follow South Korea’s system. \*Ironic, ain’t it, for a group whose members, for the most part, seem to despise socialism? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41216 "2020-03-11T03:11:09Z")
The Republican mayor of Sterling Heights, Michigan, the fourth largest city in the state, who voted for Individual 1 in 2016, has endorsed Biden. He said he can’t look his kids in the face and support a deranged individual as President. > **[Michigan GOP mayor ditches ‘deranged’ Trump, endorses Biden for president](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/486833-michigan-gop-mayor-ditches-deranged-trump-endorses-biden-for-president/)** > > The Republican mayor of Sterling Heights, Mich., the fourth-biggest city in the state, is abandoning his support of President Trump and endorsing former Vice President Joe Biden for president.… ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41217 "2020-03-11T04:09:07Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The Republican mayor of Sterling Heights, Michigan, the fourth largest city in the state, who voted for Individual 1 in 2016, has endorsed Biden. He said he can’t look his kids in the face and support a deranged individual as President. > [https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/486833-michigan-gop-mayor-ditches-deranged-trump-endorses-biden-for-president](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/486833-michigan-gop-mayor-ditches-deranged-trump-endorses-biden-for-president) How did he avoid looking them in the face since 2016? Trump was deranged back then, too. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41218 "2020-03-11T04:31:27Z")
Individual 1 wants DOJ to investigate media coverage of the coronavirus. > **[Trump Demands Barr Investigate The Media's Coronavirus Coverage](https://www.politicususa.com/2020/03/09/trump-barr-coronavirus.html)** > > Trump has asked Attorney General William Barr to launch a Department of Justice investigation into the media's coronavirus coverage. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41219 "2020-03-11T04:35:52Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 wants DOJ to investigate media coverage of the coronavirus. > [Trump Demands Barr Investigate The Media’s Coronavirus Coverage](https://www.politicususa.com/2020/03/09/trump-barr-coronavirus.html) Barr will do it. You help install a dictator, you do moronic dictator fetch quests. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41220 "2020-03-11T04:40:50Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > How did he avoid looking them in the face since 2016? Trump was deranged back then, too. Check it out: > [@](#): > > Taylor, who has served as mayor since 2014, said that in 2016 he voted for Trump thinking that the then-candidate’s behavior would improve. > > “He’s even more deranged now than I thought then. So, I take the blame. I voted for him,” he told the Tribune, Yes, you read that right: he voted for Trump in 2016 despite thinking even then that Trump was deranged. And somehow, with critical thinking skills and priorities like that, he’s the mayor of the 4th largest city in Michigan! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41221 "2020-03-11T05:23:40Z")
Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! > [@Stephen Colbert](#): > > You would think Trump would be taking the threat of the coronavirus more seriously than this since he might have it: someone at the political conservative action conference or CPAC later tested positive for coronavirus and some Republicans like Senator Ted Cruz and Representatives Paul Gosar and Matt Gaetz have had to self-quarantine at home- our thoughts and prayers are with their families. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41222 "2020-03-11T08:21:50Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 wants DOJ to investigate media coverage of the coronavirus. > [Trump Demands Barr Investigate The Media’s Coronavirus Coverage](https://www.politicususa.com/2020/03/09/trump-barr-coronavirus.html) > **[PoliticusUSA - Bias and Credibility](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politicususa/)** > > LEFT BIAS These media sources are moderate to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation.  They may There are better sources in the world. The one that the article links to, for example. And, in that one, they make a differentiation between “Justice” and “Barr”, and between “wants” and “demands”. I may want to rip the head off that guy who pinched my girlfriend’s butt. Actually doing it is bad. Wanting it is of ambiguous morality. Of course, Vanity Fair also goes on to quote “a **former** White House official” about the President’s current frame of mind which sounds pretty suspicious. I am reminded of [Michael Biasello](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21170608&postcount=14), from [The Federalist](https://thefederalist.com/2018/08/24/despite-comey-assurances-fbi-failed-to-examine-vast-bulk-of-weiner-laptop-emails/). Remember that you don’t have to lie, to lie. Opinion and textually truthful statements are a wonderful way to mislead a reader. As said, there are better sources out there. You don’t have to read crap ones to determine that Trump is an idiot and a crook. And you’re of no use to the world if your arguments to back the idea that he’s an idiot and a crook comes from sources of his caliber. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41223 "2020-03-11T15:44:49Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > There are better sources in the world. The one that the article links to, for example. And, in that one, they make a differentiation between “Justice” and “Barr”, and between “wants” and “demands”. “PoliticsUSA” is a biased source, but what Rick Kitchen actually said was “wants” and “DOJ” which was the more accurate version. Maybe he should have said the same think but used the Vanity Fair article as his citation. By the way I’m not sure how their switching “Justice” to “Barr” shows their bias - does one make the President look worse than the other? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/41224 "2020-03-11T17:07:38Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > I hope you are correct, but there are already extant conspiracy theories making this a Chinese bioweapon, a bioweapon funded by the Democrats (!), and “not all that serious”. Which shows how flawed the analytical thinking is in your typical MAGAt. That’s like the army delpoying their latest Sekrit Weapon – slingshots. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2060) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2062)