# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2111
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42206 "2020-04-04T15:32:32Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > You are at as much risk of dying as anyone else, and thanks to this virus you are cumming in your pants over you could draw your last watery breath before the end of this year. Of course I am. Not that I want to die, but I accept this as a reality. If we die, then it matters even more that we use this moment as a catalyst for something good. But the moment is here. The disaster is here. It must lead to an awakening. If we go through this and we shrug it off, we’re just laying down a footpath for much worse in the future, and much worse is coming: this is nothing. Man-made climate change is going to be the mother of all disasters. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42207 "2020-04-04T16:10:07Z")
I understand; your country is broken. But lives cannot be undead. Don’t fall into apathy, or insanity due to constant and maddening frustrations. Don’t march towards chaos with the crazies who are driving your country. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42208 "2020-04-04T16:10:47Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > We are out of good choices. There are only bad choices left. As Isaac Asimov said, talking about what was then called global warming around 1980 (!), “The trick is to stop before you drive over the cliff. Screaming on the way down does little good.” We are headed for the cliff with a toddler at the wheel. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42209 "2020-04-04T16:43:28Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > You are a gigantic sack of shit, and if there is any trace of justice in the universe, you will be one to soon die from it. [Moderating] Expressing the desire to see other posters die or come to harm is against the board rules. Please avoid saying things like this in the future. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42210 "2020-04-04T17:42:34Z")
[Supplies could be delayed due to confusion from the White House](https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/supply-delay-fema-coronavirus/index.html) > [@](#): > > Governors have said they need Trump to take over distribution because the current process forces states to compete not only with each other but also with the federal government and international entities for critically needed medical supplies, like masks and ventilators. > > Trump dismissed those concerns Thursday, saying, “They have that and they have to work that out.” > > “What they should do is they should’ve, long before this pandemic arrived, they should’ve been on the open market, just buying, there was no competition, you could’ve made a great price,” Trump said at the White House. “The states have to stock up.” > > The President reiterated that position at Friday’s White House news conference. **‘Hey, you should have stocked up before you knew there was going to be a pandemic!’** :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42211 "2020-04-04T17:58:49Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Supplies could be delayed due to confusion from the White House](https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/supply-delay-fema-coronavirus/index.html) > > **‘Hey, you should have stocked up before you knew there was going to be a pandemic!’** > > :rolleyes: “Confusion in the White House”?? No! Say it isn’t so! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42212 "2020-04-04T18:01:38Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Supplies could be delayed due to confusion from the White House](https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/supply-delay-fema-coronavirus/index.html) > > **‘Hey, you should have stocked up before you knew there was going to be a pandemic!’** > > :rolleyes: People are fools if they think they’re just going to wire checks into your bank accounts right away and that the relief is going to just magically appear out of nowhere. There’s a greater than zero chance that state welfare agencies get to the point where they simply don’t have the funds to disburse and would have to wait for assistance from the feds. We need to be realistic in our expectations. We’re in uncharted territory here, and the scary part is that soon - perhaps as early as next week - the markets are going to realize something they haven’t already: a) The numbers we’re seeing now are NOTHING compared to what they’re going to be a month from now. b) These guys are in charge - and that’s a problem. Anyone who believes the markets have hit their floors, BWAHAHAHAHAH! That’s funny. Dow 10,000. A very distinct possibility. Shit, Dow 0. Don’t rule it out. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42213 "2020-04-04T18:05:28Z")
Did y’all catch that the Feds are sending medical supplies to retail outlets so they can sell them to states? That info was in the 2 April POTUS briefing. ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42214 "2020-04-04T18:17:16Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Did y’all catch that the Feds are sending medical supplies to retail outlets so they can sell them to states? That info was in the 2 April POTUS briefing. So they outbid all the states at more than $7 per mask, and are now letting retailers jack them up even more? Will trump buy them all again? At least the Great Dutch Tulip Crash didn’t kill anyone. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42215 "2020-04-04T19:38:29Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Did y’all catch that the Feds are sending medical supplies to retail outlets so they can sell them to states? That info was in the 2 April POTUS briefing. Yep, this is the essence of the response. In the modern GOP, government exists to make republicans and corporations rich. It’s been well-documented that they are ignoring calls to oversight. Sen. Schumer and Democrats wanted to hold up the bill so that there would be at least the pretense of oversight and the Republicans demagogued the delay by claiming that Democrats were just engaging in petty grandstanding. The conservatives are trying to destroy the federal government as we know it. They’re creating a government at all levels that rewards people for thinking in a corrupt manner. A culture of civil service and fidelity to the common good replaced with corruption. We’re beyond “resets”; the only thing that can save this country is something that causes a seismic shift of popular opinion, something that shakes us so profoundly to our core and forces us to rethink the relationship between citizens and state. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42216 "2020-04-04T20:06:03Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > Expressing the desire to see other posters die or come to harm is against the board rules. Please avoid saying things like this in the future. > > No warning issued. > [/Moderating] He was reacting to someone who was expressing the desire to see other posters, along with tens of millions of other people, die or come to harm. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42217 "2020-04-04T21:07:48Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > He was reacting to someone who was expressing the desire to see other posters, along with tens of millions of other people, die or come to harm. Yes, but in a different context that I would hope Darren would acknowledge. I’m not wishing harm because I enjoy human suffering or because I am callous; I’m hoping that **the crisis that we are already experiencing** can lead to something productive and a radical, fundamental change in how we view governance and our social responsibility. I want it to cause change, and then not cause any death and illness beyond that which is necessary. And in case I didn’t make it clear, I wish it didn’t require a crisis to get us to change, but it took a crisis just to get a shitty compromise on healthcare, it took a crisis to get many of the welfare programs that we currently have in place. Just think: had it not been for the Great Depression and the political soft revolution called the New Deal, 40% of this country might be looking at starvation and homelessness this moment. We might still end up in that awful place, but my hope is that we do some serious reflecting and stop listening to the bullshit machine at Fox News and change who we are. It won’t be easy, though. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42218 "2020-04-04T21:22:06Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Yes, but in a different context that I would hope Darren would acknowledge. I’m not wishing harm because I enjoy human suffering or because I am callous; I’m hoping that **the crisis that we are already experiencing** can lead to something productive and a radical, fundamental change in how we view governance and our social responsibility. In other words, you can’t make an omelet without breaking eggs. I imagine Mao and Stalin felt the same way. You said you hope the economy and health care system collapse. In a country of over 300 million people, that alone would mean the deaths of tens of millions who can’t get medical treatment. It would also precipitate the collapse of social order in general. People who are starving, whose kids are starving, and who have no income, are going to do whatever it takes to feed their family, which will certainly include violent crime. It would be like a Road Warrior movie. Yes, it would be great if we had a competent president. Yes, it would be great if there were less corruption in the system. Yes, it would be great if we had free health care, free tuition, and a guaranteed basic income for everybody. But you are fucking insane if you think that justifies death and misery for hundreds of millions of people. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42219 "2020-04-04T21:25:39Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > In other words, you can’t make an omelet without breaking eggs. I imagine Mao and Stalin felt the same way. > > You said you hope the economy and health care system collapse. In a country of over 300 million people, that alone would mean the deaths of tens of millions who can’t get medical treatment. It would also precipitate the collapse of social order in general. People who are starving, whose kids are starving, and who have no income, are going to do whatever it takes to feed their family, which will certainly include violent crime. It would be like a Road Warrior movie. > > Yes, it would be great if we had a competent president. Yes, it would be great if there were less corruption in the system. Yes, it would be great if we had free health care, free tuition, and a guaranteed basic income for everybody. Yes it would be great if people would stop clinging to their prejudices, greed, and guns long enough to vote for something other than their own interests. How do we get these corrupt leaders? We’re not run by a junta - not yet anyway. People vote for them. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42220 "2020-04-04T22:12:24Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > How do we get these corrupt leaders? We’re not run by a junta - not yet anyway. Which we would if you had your way. You’re just convinced that you’re going to be _issuing_ death sentences rather than be at risk of receiving one. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2020, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42221 "2020-04-04T23:58:23Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > …Anyone who believes the markets have hit their floors, BWAHAHAHAHAH! That’s funny. > > Dow 10,000. A very distinct possibility. > > Shit, Dow 0. Don’t rule it out. There’s a reason (besides ‘not wanting to compete with Andrew Cuomo’ as is frequently alleged) that Trump has moved these “briefings” to a time after the markets close: He got tired of seeing the numbers plunge in response to his inane blatherings, boasting, and complaints about people failing to kiss up to him sufficiently. Today (no markets open, but if they had been…) we got this bit of helpful information about resumption of professional sports and the rest of the economy: > [@](#): > > …when asked specifically about an August return, which would be in time for the beginning of college football season, Trump said he couldn’t guarantee that. > > “I’m not committing to it. We’re going to see where we are,” he said. “That would be great if we could, but we’re going to be back to good health soon, in my opinion. We’re making a lot of progress.” > **[After call with sports leaders, Trump says he can’t commit to date for having...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/04/04/after-call-with-sports-leaders-trump-says-he-cant-commit-date-having-fans-stadiums/)** > > Trump spoke with commissioners and top executives from 13 professional sports leagues Saturday. There you go! In his opinion, we’re going to be back to good health soon! (No wonder more and more people think their mattress is a safer place for their money than the stock market.) ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2020, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42222 "2020-04-05T00:40:34Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > we got this bit of helpful information about resumption of professional sports and the rest of the economy: > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/04/04/after-call-with-sports-leaders-trump-says-he-cant-commit-date-having-fans-stadiums/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/04/04/after-call-with-sports-leaders-trump-says-he-cant-commit-date-having-fans-stadiums/) > > There you go! In his opinion, we’re going to be back to good health soon! It seems like: Trump convened a conference call with the heads of all the sports leagues (except the NCAA, for some reason)…and whined “I wanna have sports again! I really really really want it.” And the commissioners nodded their heads, and hung up the phone. Look, I’m a sports fan and I miss baseball and I would be devastated if the college football season doesn’t happen. But wishing and hoping isn’t going to make it happen, and it shouldn’t happen a minute too early. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2020, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42223 "2020-04-05T01:09:17Z")
If Trump thinks that public gatherings are okay, he should hold a campaign rally. It has been a while… ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2020, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42224 "2020-04-05T01:22:10Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > …Dow 10,000. A very distinct possibility. > > Shit, Dow 0. Don’t rule it out. I’m old enough to remember when the Dow broke 1,000. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2020, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42225 "2020-04-05T02:02:08Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Yes, Trump isn’t Adolf Hitler. He’s Boss Hogg. I’ve been trying to find the perfect comparison for Trump, other than the Kaiser (when people compare him to Hitler). That’s beautiful. > [@asahi](#): > > Meanwhile, the Republicans allow Trump to continue disassembling oversight of his administration: > > [https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/03/trump-fires-intelligence-community-inspector-general-164287](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/03/trump-fires-intelligence-community-inspector-general-164287) > > It’s not just Atkinson who gets this message; it’s other inspectors general. > > There are fewer and fewer guardrails. > > I’ll say it again: I want COVID-19 to be bad. A total fucking disaster. I want the economy and the health system to collapse. I wish it didn’t have to come to this, but it does. > > Yes, I’m sick. But I’m no more sick than the millions of mother fuckers who are willfully living a lie just so they can have their America back. I want the system to collapse so that there might be collective outrage and an awakening before it’s too late. > > But I concede it might already be too late. You’re a fucking sociopath. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2110) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2112)