# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2125
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42486 "2020-04-13T23:48:58Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > No, it isn’t. Democracy is when everyone votes and the person who gets the most votes wins. It’s that simple. > > Trump didn’t get the most votes in 2016. Bush didn’t get the most votes in 2000. Clinton 48.2% Trump 46.1% That’s not even close, and it sure as shit isn’t democratic. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2020, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42487 "2020-04-13T23:53:22Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Because he just appointed his National Council to Reopen the Economy. What happened to his plan to call it [the opening our country council](https://news.yahoo.com/on-post-covid-19-reopening-trump-weighs-biggest-decision-of-my-life-205828933.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews)? > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > This is a sign that we’re past the worst part of the crisis. When things were getting worse, Trump announced Pence was in charge, it was a state issue, and he had no responsibilities. Now that things are getting better, he wants to kick everyone else off the stage and take all the credit. > > Typical Trump; he avoids the battle but he wants to be in the first car of the victory parade. & > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Well, it might be a sign that trump \*\*THINKS \*\*we’re past the worst part of the crisis, but the experts are saying no. Of course, they just want to get on TV and he knows more/better than they do. You are right, however, that if things ever do get better, he will take 110% of the credit. Nope. It’s a sign that this pandemic has already lasted longer than his attention span and this is how he’s responding to those few experts left in government service who are telling him what a responsible leader would do. But all he hears is “I will hold a [del]campaign rally on the government’s dime[/del] press conference and say something and I will be adored. Oooooh. Adoration!” ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42488 "2020-04-14T04:48:05Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Democracy didn’t get us Donald Trump or George W. Bush. It got us Bush in 2004, which coincidentally is when I gave up trying to understand people. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42489 "2020-04-14T04:59:13Z")
dupe ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42490 "2020-04-14T13:52:45Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > dupe Are you referring to Trump or Bush voters? ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42491 "2020-04-14T14:47:36Z")
Could it be mass lead poisoning? Or contaminated Twinkies? (Still trying to make sense of the OrangeAnus and his followers three and half years later) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42492 "2020-04-14T15:09:01Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > It got us Bush in 2004, which coincidentally is when I gave up trying to understand people. Maybe. I’m still not 100% convinced Bush really won that election. But even if we agree won in 2004, he did it as an incumbent. If Bush had lost in 2000, he wouldn’t have been running in 2004. This is what the last thirty years would have looked like if we had democracy: 1988: George H.W. Bush 1992: Bill Clinton 1996: Bill Clinton 2000: Al Gore 2004: Al Gore 2008: Barack Obama 2012: Barack Obama 2016: Hillary Clinton I’m pretty sure we’d be living in a better country and a better world. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42493 "2020-04-14T15:13:29Z")
[QUOTE=… (Still trying to make sense of the OrangeAnus and his followers three and half years later)[/QUOTE] That’s a fool’s errand, if there ever was one. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42494 "2020-04-14T15:39:55Z")
News from Wisconsin, better suited for the politics forum but perhaps will shine a beacon of hope in our dreary world: You may recall that the Democratic governor wanted to postpone their primary election last week, but were thwarted by the Republican legislature and conservative-dominated state supreme court. You may also recall that there was a conservative supreme court incumbent on the ballot, endorsed by Trump. And that Trump bragged and crowed that the liberals were freaked out by his endorsement, and that’s why they wanted a postponement. And so the election proceeded with long lines of people braving virus exposure to vote at the few polling places that were open. Well… **The Trumpian incumbent LOST.** Fuckin’ awesome. This bodes well for a battleground state in November. ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42495 "2020-04-14T16:16:56Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Because he just appointed his National Council to Reopen the Economy. > > It consists of > Jared > Ivanka > Larry Kudlow > Steve Mnuchin > Wilbur Ross > Robert Lighthizer > Mark Meadows > > I wish this were a joke but it’s not. Great… the Louseketeers… ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42496 "2020-04-14T16:39:01Z")
On the Wisconsin Supreme Court win by the Democrat: The implications are even more enormous. There is one conservative justice on that now 4-3 court who sides with the liberals on the Republican voter suppression effort to throw 200,000 Wisconsin voters off the rolls. It seems likely now that the Republican effort will fail. Since Trump won the state by a mere 23,000 votes and Barr-ing unforeseen events, looks like Wisconsin is again a safe Democratic stronghold for 2020. In short, the Democratic win in this instance is huge. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42497 "2020-04-14T17:01:34Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > On the Wisconsin Supreme Court win by the Democrat: The implications are even more enormous. > > There is one conservative justice on that now 4-3 court who sides with the liberals on the Republican voter suppression effort to throw 200,000 Wisconsin voters off the rolls. It seems likely now that the Republican effort will fail. Since Trump won the state by a mere 23,000 votes and Barr-ing unforeseen events, looks like Wisconsin is again a safe Democratic stronghold for 2020. > > In short, the Democratic win in this instance is huge. If this be true — and I have no immediate reason to doubt it — it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the Republicans attempted to invalidate the election on the grounds that it should have been postponed until after the country had been reopened by [DEL]Dear Leader’s fiat[/DEL] Presidential order. (Which, of course, was always their position. But they were overruled by the Demonrat in the Governor’s mansion.) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42498 "2020-04-14T17:31:39Z")
Meanwhile in Canada, the Federal Government and the Provinces are in talks to discuss a strategy for re-opening the economy in stages. Scientific and medical advice will be followed, and there is recognition that the virus is at different stages in different areas of the country, and some areas are harder hit than others. It is so good to see the various political parties working quite well together. It makes the citizens feel like things are being handled as well as can be expected, and the leaders actually want to make things better for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42499 "2020-04-14T18:53:09Z")
Representatives Tom Malinowski (D-N.J.), Dean Phillips (D-Minn.) and Justin Amash (I-Mich.) introduced a one-sentence resolution on Tuesday which reads, “The House of Representatives affirms that when someone is the president of the United States, their authority is not total.” [https://thehill.com/homenews/house/492700-lawmakers-introduce-resolution-rebuking-trumps-comments-he-has-total-authority](https://thehill.com/homenews/house/492700-lawmakers-introduce-resolution-rebuking-trumps-comments-he-has-total-authority)? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42500 "2020-04-14T19:07:27Z")
Should be a fascinating vote, where all the Republicans come down firmly on the side of authoritarianism. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42501 "2020-04-14T19:45:01Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > That’s not even close, and it sure as shit isn’t democratic. Back when I was working, I used to joke that we would all take a vote and then I would decide what I wanted to do. (In case it’s not obvious, I was the boss.) Democracy is more than just being able to vote. Democracy requires that the outcome be decided by the votes. If a hundred million people vote and then we throw those votes out and let some small group decide the outcome, it isn’t a democracy. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42502 "2020-04-14T19:45:49Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Should be a fascinating vote, where all the Republicans come down firmly on the side of authoritarianism. Make 'em OWN it! ---
**Author:** ![Quint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/76d3ee/32.png) [@Quint](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quint)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42503 "2020-04-14T19:59:57Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > When it came to CLOSING the economy, he was all states rights blather because “There’s this little thing called the Constitution that I jerk off on every night” or something like that. > > Even he can’t force states to reopen, he’ll try to pull some shit in order to effectively force them, like cutting the enhanced unemployment benefits and canceling the small business loan forgiveness for people and companies that don’t reopen, regardless of the dictates of their state. > > I think he’s going to start trying to reopen before the end of the month, no matter what. He’s been dogwhistling to his supporters that the shutdown is a Democrat driven plot and he’s perched on the verge of doing something really stupid. Because he just appointed his National Council to Reopen the Economy. > > It consists of > Jared > Ivanka > Larry Kudlow > Steve Mnuchin > Wilbur Ross > Robert Lighthizer > Mark Meadows > > I wish this were a joke but it’s not. “So you’ve got Marie Antoinette Barbie and Fully Useless Ken on board, but who else makes up this brain trust that is literally holding people’s lives in its hands? Any doctors? Health experts? Economists? Fuck no!” From [here](https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/04/ivanka-trump-jared-kushner-council-to-reopen-america). Great read. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42504 "2020-04-14T21:10:29Z")
> [@Quint](#): > > "So you’ve got Marie Antoinette Barbie and Fully Useless Ken on board… How about ‘Anatomically Deficient Ken’? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42505 "2020-04-14T21:49:25Z")
Trump is referring to state governors who refuse to concede his total authority as “[mutineers](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/trumps-may-1-target-too-optimistic-for-u-s-coronavirus-reopening-adviser-fauci-says-idUSKCN21W20G)”. He wants them to know that “_Mutiny on the Bounty_ is one of my all-timefavorite movies.” Apparently he doesn’t remember that Capt. Bligh ended up being set adrift in a small boat while the mutineers took the ship to their desired destination. Now, in real life, the captain made it back to England because, for all his other faults, he was a competent sailor. So to be fair, I’m willing to set Trump adrift in a small boat in the middle of the ocean and see if he makes it back to land. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2124) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2126)