# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2130
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42586 "2020-04-17T22:46:06Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > This is the point where sensible people either find ways to collect themselves, or completely lose their shit. This is not the time we want to have a sociopath demagogue making a power grab. But here we are. May we all live in interesting times. Living IN interesting times is one thing. I’m interested in living THROUGH the interesting times and getting back to enjoying the boring times again. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42587 "2020-04-17T23:39:44Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Living IN interesting times is one thing. > > I’m interested in living THROUGH the interesting times and getting back to enjoying the boring times again. I’m with you. I far, far prefer boring. As (I think), Bilbo Baggins once said, an adventure is something dreadfully uncomfortable happening to someone else, a long way away. Not that I’d wish this on anyone, no matter how far away they are. No, I take that back. There’s a few hundred people I’d smile if I heard they’d caught it. And I really dislike the fact that I’ve become the sort of person who’d do so. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42588 "2020-04-17T23:51:32Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Well, yes of course - hence the calls to “LIBERATE” states like Michigan. > > Re-open the economies in “Democratic” states, death rate goes up, utter chaos… win for Trump! Because that means fewer people opposing him and voting against him in the next election. The fact they’re _dead_ makes no impact on him. > > Of course if the rural MAGA types keep insisting on having large church gatherings they could wind up eliminating themselves, too. > > Race to the bottom indeed. As usual Trump is not thinking beyond tomorrow’s polls. If these states open up too quickly and cases spike up, first of all an equal number of Democratic and Republican voters will get it. And everyone will see that the governors were right and Trump was wrong. I certainly hope so. Trump continues to believe that an improving economy is more important to voters than 10s of thousands of dead people. But no matter when states open up, we are not going to have “the greastest economy in the history of the world” anytime in the near future And there is no doubt that when the trend of new infections starts to go down in those MAGA states, they will immediately declare victory and start going back to church and and grocery stores without wearing masks. Just like these idiot protestors in Michigan. One was quoted on CNN. “I think we are all going to get COVID, we’re stading right next to each other.” Wear a fucking mask you fucking fuck! ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42589 "2020-04-17T23:52:34Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > As (I think), Bilbo Baggins once said, an adventure is something dreadfully uncomfortable happening to someone else, a long way away. "The test of an adventure is that when you’re in the middle of it, you say to yourself, ‘Oh, now I’ve got myself into an awful mess; I wish I were sitting quietly at home.’ " – Thornton Wilder, _The Matchmaker_ Although with this current situation, we _are_ siting quietly at home anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42590 "2020-04-17T23:57:33Z")
> [@romansperson](#): > > [And apparently orange idiot thinks Chinatown (the San Francisco version in this case) is in … China](https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinatown-not-part-china-trumps-003727405.html). From your link: > [@](#): > > Pelosi’s chief of staff, Drew Hammill, tweeted, “Fact check: We never posted this video. It’s obviously local TV coverage of the Speaker visiting Chinatown in San Francisco three weeks prior to the shelter-in-place order.” > > [Factcheck.org](http://Factcheck.org) corroborated this, saying, “We could find no record that the video was ever posted on Pelosi’s Twitter account.” Is anyone actually surprised that the damn dirty lying sack of dung lied yet again? Oops. I used the wrong adverb. Is anyone actually surprised that the dman dirty lyinng sack of dung (choose one: still/always) lies? More fun is in following the twitter links in that article. I especially liked [this one from Bishop Talbert Swan of the Church Of God In Christ](https://twitter.com/TalbertSwan/status/1250855888358977538): > [@](#): > > Bishop Talbert Swan > @TalbertSwan > · > 4月17日 > 回复 > @realDonaldTrump > 30,000 DEAD > > THIRTY THOUSAND DEAD > > Because of your ineptitude. > > You’re an inhumane, murderous, grim reaping, degenerate, son of a klansman. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42591 "2020-04-18T00:39:09Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > From your link: > Is anyone actually surprised that the damn dirty lying sack of dung lied yet again? Of course not. The whole reason I posted that is to once again show how uninformed and uncaring about that fact he is. I have a problem with the leader of the free world being that ignorant. I also have a problem with a significant portion of our population being just fine with it. This is not okay and I will never get over knowing that so many people in this country think it is. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42592 "2020-04-18T00:55:40Z")
'Twas a rhetorical question, **romansperson**. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42593 "2020-04-18T01:33:11Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > 'Twas a rhetorical question, **romansperson**. 🙂 Yes, but also not necessary and taking away from the actual point of my post. Though I suppose both the lying and the astounding ignorance no longer need to be pointed out … it’s just a fact in all our lives now. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42594 "2020-04-18T02:54:31Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Trump is a danger to the Union, IMO.](https://apnews.com/a4ec3cc7888ff2d58b5618e9f890b9c6) Not that it amounts to a hill of beans in this crazy world, but would anyone care to explain to me why Trump’s “LIBERATE…” Tweets could not be interpreted as incitement to riot? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42595 "2020-04-18T02:57:44Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Not that it amounts to a hill of beans in this crazy world, but would anyone care to explain to me why Trump’s “LIBERATE…” Tweets could not be interpreted as incitement to riot? Of course they are. Who is going to hold him to account? ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42596 "2020-04-18T03:48:40Z")
I would pay cash if any Governor would say to Trump, “Hey Trump. Shut the fuck up and let the adults in the country run things.” ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42597 "2020-04-18T04:12:54Z")
I always liked “Lead, follow, or get out of the way.” Trump is doing none of those things. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42598 "2020-04-18T05:19:45Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Someone close to him figured out a way he could exploit the crisis for the purposes of igniting a culture war within these states, and between these states. Trump won a race with a razor thin margin by exploiting cultural differences, and that’s been the key to his survival, and to the survival of the tea-party-on-steroids 2020 version of the GOP. There’s no reversing this trend. It will be carried to its natural, logical, final conclusion on this trajectory: an attempt to subvert democracy using any means they can get away with. They made that choice in 2013 once they decided to kick out the Eric Kantors, John Boehners, and later on the Paul Ryans and Mitt Romneys of the party. Sure, they still have Rs by their names and will gladly inhale the sweet smell of tax cuts, but **it’s the party of sociopaths now.** It has been since 1968. It just took until 2013 for the sociopaths to complete their purge. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42599 "2020-04-18T05:23:59Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > From your link: > > Is anyone actually surprised that the damn dirty lying sack of **dung** lied yet again? Oops. I used the wrong adverb. Is anyone actually surprised that the dman dirty lyinng sack of **dung** (choose one: still/always) lies? You’re using the wrong noun, too. Also, no. Nobody is surprised. “SHIT.” the right noun is “shit.” ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42600 "2020-04-18T05:31:33Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I always liked “Lead, follow, or get out of the way.” Trump is doing none of those things. Indeed. I think ge’s going more for “Bluster, whine, or defecate all over everything.” > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > It has been since 1968. Could one argue Goldwater’s '64 attempt? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42601 "2020-04-18T05:33:51Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Indeed. I think ge’s going more for “Bluster, whine, or defecate all over everything.” > > Could one argue Goldwater’s '64 attempt? I was eight years old in 1964, but maybe. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42602 "2020-04-18T05:35:06Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Could one argue Goldwater’s '64 attempt? Goldwater at least had ethics. He would have been preferable to most Republican presidents since then. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42603 "2020-04-18T07:05:02Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Trump is a danger to the Union, IMO.](https://apnews.com/a4ec3cc7888ff2d58b5618e9f890b9c6) [Washington Gov. Jay Inslee agrees](https://apnews.com/33321f4b5bac46eee8c5bd2b2a96fb6d): > [@](#): > > Washington Gov. Jay Inslee said Friday that President Donald Trump’s comments about “liberating” parts of the country from coronavirus stay-at-home orders put millions of Americans at risk of contracting COVID-19. > > Trump on Friday via Twitter encouraged demonstrators in the Democratic states of Michigan, Virginia and Minnesota to protest social-distancing rules that experts say can help slow the spread of the virus. Inslee, a Democrat, said in a statement that Trump is encouraging “illegal and dangerous acts.” > > “His unhinged rantings and calls for people to ‘liberate’ states could also lead to violence. We’ve seen it before,” Inslee said. “The president is fomenting domestic rebellion and spreading lies even while his own administration says the virus is real and is deadly.” ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42604 "2020-04-18T09:32:47Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Indeed. I think ge’s going more for “Bluster, whine, or defecate all over everything.” Or? All evidence points to _and_ being correct. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42605 "2020-04-18T12:11:26Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Living IN interesting times is one thing. > > I’m interested in living THROUGH the interesting times and getting back to enjoying the boring times again. \ Agreed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2129) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2131)