# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2135
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42687 "2020-04-22T00:17:58Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Given what has taken place so far during Trump’s commanding what is now a floundering plague ship, which Book of Revelations boxes remain to be checked off prior to the next rapturous presidential election? Well, the Sun hasn’t been darkened, and the Moon is still giving its light, and the stars haven’t begun to fall. Yet. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42688 "2020-04-22T00:22:26Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Where have you been for the last few decades? How many times has the jackass _not_ dones something foolish? And why does he survive every time he does something foolish? Because he has a large professional political organization that props him up. So if Trump annoys that political organization, all they’ll have to do is take their hands off him and let him fall. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42689 "2020-04-22T00:23:42Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Well, the Sun hasn’t been darkened, and the Moon is still giving its light, and the stars haven’t begun to fall. > > Yet. Where do the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse fit in? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42690 "2020-04-22T00:24:27Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I also didn’t vote for him because he’s a fucking psychopath, a racist, a bigot, a misogynist, a pathological liar, and an incompetent. I think idiot needs to be on the list. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42691 "2020-04-22T00:36:25Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Well, the Sun hasn’t been darkened, and the Moon is still giving its light, and _the stars haven’t begun to fall._ > > Yet. [my italics] [The Lyrid meteor shower of 2020 peaks tonight!](https://www.space.com/lyrid-meteor-shower-2020-peaks-tonight.html) > [@](#): > > The annual Lyrid meteor shower peaks overnight tonight (April 21) and into the early hours of Wednesday (April 22), less than a day before the new moon. And so it begins… ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42692 "2020-04-22T00:45:16Z")
(From [the thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=893785) in the Quarantine Zone on hydroxychloroquine) > [@Hydroxychloroquine study "does not meet the Society's expected standard."](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hydroxychloroquine-study-does-not-meet-the-societys-expected-standard/851443/57): > > [medRxiv: “Outcomes of hydroxychloroquine usage in United States veterans hospitalized with Covid-19”](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1.full.pdf) > > - CONCLUSIONS: > In this study, we found no evidence that use of hydroxychloroquine, either with or without azithromycin, reduced the risk of mechanical ventilation in patients hospitalized with Covid-19. An association of increased overall mortality was identified in patients treated with hydroxychloroquine alone. **These findings highlight the importance of awaiting the results of ongoing prospective, randomized, controlled studies before widespread adoption of these drugs.** \* It’s obvious that the authors must be Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42693 "2020-04-22T00:50:18Z")
> [@KarlGauss](#): > > (From [the thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=893785) in the Quarantine Zone on hydroxychloroquine) > It’s obvious that the authors must be Democrats. Why do they hate America? ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42694 "2020-04-22T00:54:57Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Where do the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse fit in? Damning Report Finds White House Ignored Skeletal Horsemen Galloping Through Sky As Early As January > **[Damning Report Finds White House Ignored Skeletal Horsemen Galloping Through...](https://www.theonion.com/damning-report-finds-white-house-ignored-skeletal-horse-1842754580)** > > WASHINGTON—In a very serious and damning new report published Wednesday, a government watchdog group has found that, as early as January, White House officials failed to heed repeated warnings of impending doom that arrived via four skeletal horsemen... ---
**Author:** ![Tinker\_Grey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tinker_grey/32/8136_2.png) [@Tinker\_Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tinker_Grey)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42695 "2020-04-22T01:29:00Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Where do the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse fit in? Well, the Hitch is dead, so … ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42696 "2020-04-22T02:41:26Z")
And I beheld an orange horse; and the rider that sat upon that horse was called Donald, and covfefe followed with him. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42697 "2020-04-22T02:42:14Z")
I think I read the same article that’s been discussed above, about the small business loans going to the not-so-small businesses. If I parsed it right, it doesn’t look so much like corruption or bad oversight, but more like it was a loophole in the law or maybe those bigger businesses misunderstood the law. Still, it certainly doesn’t look like what Congress intended. Note that one of the companies is giving the money back. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42698 "2020-04-22T02:42:38Z")
Bill Barr suggest that the DOJ will support lawsuits against governors who keep their states closed beyond necessary. [DOJ Would Support Legal Action If Governors' Restrictions Go 'Too Far,' Barr Says : Coronavirus Updates : NPR](https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/21/840262570/barr-open-to-legal-action-if-governors-restrictions-go-too-far)? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42699 "2020-04-22T03:02:59Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Where do the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse fit in? That whole thing is obsolete. Now it’s five guys in muscle cars. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42700 "2020-04-22T03:46:28Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > I turned on today’s briefing just as Mnuchin was answering a reporter’s question, apparently about this issue. I swear he said the publicly traded companies like Ruth’s Chris that got these loans will have to return the money so it can go to true small businesses. Is that what he actually said or did I misunderstand? I can’t find any sources to back this up and since I caught the end of his answer maybe I misunderstood. > > I’m having a hard time believing that could be correct. A Republican Administration, particularly this one, saying big corporations did something wrong and won’t get favorable treatment? Is that even possible? AFAIK, they’d only have to return the money if they didn’t qualify for it. Trump stood by and interjected that he was apparently stunned that Harvard received some of this PPP money – blatant misstatement (major fucking lie is more like it). They’re making shit up as they go along. I now see why Mnuchin is one of the few survivors of the original Trump cabinet. He sells total horse shit and he somehow looks believable doing it, probably attributable to the fact that he’s among the least cartoonish personalities there. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42701 "2020-04-22T04:49:22Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I now see why Mnuchin is one of the few survivors of the original Trump cabinet. He sells total horse shit and he somehow looks believable doing it, probably attributable to the fact that he’s among the least cartoonish personalities there. Which is ironic, since his wife [looked like a cartoonish villain](https://www.businessinsider.com/louise-linton-bio-actress-and-steve-mnuchin-wife-2017-8) holding that sheet of money with her black leather gloves in 2017. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42702 "2020-04-22T05:08:11Z")
> [@robby](#): > > Which is ironic, since his wife [looked like a cartoonish villain](https://www.businessinsider.com/louise-linton-bio-actress-and-steve-mnuchin-wife-2017-8) holding that sheet of money with her black leather gloves in 2017. LOL, get outta my head! I swear I was going to post the same picture! I think Mnuchin is a total ass-sucking clown, and nothing has ever hidden that impression from me. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42703 "2020-04-22T05:56:22Z")
> [@Senegoid](#): > > I think I read the same article that’s been discussed above, about the small business loans going to the not-so-small businesses. If I parsed it right, it doesn’t look so much like corruption or bad oversight, but more like it was a loophole in the law or maybe those bigger businesses misunderstood the law. Still, it certainly doesn’t look like what Congress intended. Note that one of the companies is giving the money back. Phaw, they didn’t misunderstand shit. Big companies lobbied for this loophole as I understand it. Whoops! Tee hee, one of us will give the money back and the rest of us will sneak out the back with our ill-gotten loot. Wouldn’t want some unemployed slackers somewhere to get any of it! ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42704 "2020-04-22T06:33:34Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And I beheld an orange horse; and the rider that sat upon that horse was called Donald, and covfefe followed with him. Of course, he’s stuffing his mouth with hamberders during that ride. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42705 "2020-04-22T12:18:07Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > Phaw, they didn’t misunderstand shit. Big companies lobbied for this loophole as I understand it. Whoops! Tee hee, one of us will give the money back and the rest of us will sneak out the back with our ill-gotten loot. Wouldn’t want some unemployed slackers somewhere to get any of it! This. I would have believed it was a “loophole” had Trump’s first move not been to eliminate oversight – that’s the first fucking thing they did. They helped stage a heist in their own museum by giving the security guards a long vacation, basically. Would one not expect theft to be the result, then? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2020, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/42706 "2020-04-22T12:20:37Z")
> [@robby](#): > > Which is ironic, since his wife [looked like a cartoonish villain](https://www.businessinsider.com/louise-linton-bio-actress-and-steve-mnuchin-wife-2017-8) holding that sheet of money with her black leather gloves in 2017. Good find. But re Mnuchin, I mean, I’m just comparing him to the other little comical sketches they’ve had coming through those revolving doors, from “Mooch” to Navarro, the latter surviving only because he’s probably even Trumpier than Trump himself. Speaking of Navarro, I forgot where I read it but there’s a good profile of him that came out recently that really sheds light on his crackpot character, and how he started out as a China-bashing democrat reviled even by other democrats, going back to his days in San Diego. He lost a race he could have won by basically doubling down on being a complete dickhead. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2134) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2136)