# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2151
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43007 "2020-04-29T12:51:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Here is a hearty _FUCK YOU_ to each and every one of you that said “Don’t worry, Trump can’t win, and even if he does he will do no real damage because he will be totally ineffective.” > [@madmonk28](#): > > Can I piggy back on this fuck you to all the people who said “don’t worry, I lived through the sixties, that was a truly turbulent time, you’re overreacting to Trump.” You will find some of those _“Simmer down-- you’re overreacting”_ and _“Give him a chance-- he’ll turn into a president any day now”_ posts in the early pages of this very thread. ☹ Haven’t seen any trump apologists around here for a long while. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43008 "2020-04-29T12:59:46Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Can I piggy back on this fuck you to all the people who said “don’t worry, I lived through the sixties, that was a truly turbulent time, you’re overreacting to Trump.” It’s not _just_ Trump, though. It’s McConnell, who in many ways is the real evil genius that is driving an agenda that is going to ravage the court system for decades. It’s so bad that the only course of action for progressives might be a de facto system of nullification or putting pressure on conservative activist judges to retire or to outright impeach them. The Republicans, as a party, have deliberately rigged the judicial system and are busy stocking them like soup cans at a Safeway or Kroger supermarket. They’re destroying the credibility of the judicial system to the point where we may not be able to take their rulings seriously anymore. I say “Fuck you” to those who sat out the election in 2016 and knew that Trump would be an outrageously horrible president but assumed that he could only inflict minimal damage. Our ignorance, our failure to understand how Republicans have tag-teamed with each other to strip away protections for democracy, is absolutely killing us. We’re doing ourselves a disservice if we focus on Trump exclusively. Trump is the runny nose, the diarrhea, the phlegm coming out of our lungs. But Republicans like Mitch McConnell, the oligarchs who support them, and frankly many of their shit-ass voters are the virus. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43009 "2020-04-29T14:13:03Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Hey, Mikey Pee. So, you’re gettting tested for corona virus all the time. What about all the other crud you could be inflicting on those folks in the hospital, you moron? Indeed, Micheal, you worthless, hypocritical, motherfucking joke of a dolt. > [@asahi](#): > > We’re doing ourselves a disservice if we focus on Trump exclusively. Trump is the runny nose, the diarrhea, the phlegm coming out of our lungs. But Republicans like Mitch McConnell, the oligarchs who support them, and frankly many of their shit-ass voters are the virus. Yesterday on PBS Newshour Chick Schumer was saying [at 0:55](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/schumer-senate-shouldnt-return-just-for-hearings-on-crony-judge) that for the newest Covid Bill, McConnell’s main priority is not relief of any sort but to push through yet another unqualified judge. At the end CS asserts it’s McConnell who’s “drawing lines in the sand” and doing what he wants to do without consulting even with his Republicans, many of them feeling that the states aren’t getting help in a prompt enough manner. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43010 "2020-04-29T14:41:06Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Indeed, Micheal, you worthless, hypocritical, motherfucking joke of a dolt. And Trump makes him look like a caring statesman and scholar. Well to be fair, compared to Trump he is a statesman and scholar. But it’s a pretty low bar. Trump thinks it’s a limbo contest. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43011 "2020-04-29T14:44:53Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > And Trump makes him look like a caring statesman and scholar. > > Well to be fair, compared to Trump he is a statesman and scholar. But it’s a pretty low bar. Trump thinks it’s a limbo contest. Trump has redefined “How low can you go?” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43012 "2020-04-29T16:25:02Z")
Limbo is a lot easier if you can just ooze your way, rather than scrunching down. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43013 "2020-04-29T16:29:25Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It’s not _just_ Trump, though. It’s McConnell, who in many ways is the real evil genius that is driving an agenda that is going to ravage the court system for decades. It’s so bad that the only course of action for progressives might be a de facto system of nullification or putting pressure on conservative activist judges to retire or to outright impeach them. The Republicans, as a party, have deliberately rigged the judicial system and are busy stocking them like soup cans at a Safeway or Kroger supermarket. They’re destroying the credibility of the judicial system to the point where we may not be able to take their rulings seriously anymore. I say “Fuck you” to those who sat out the election in 2016 and knew that Trump would be an outrageously horrible president but assumed that he could only inflict minimal damage. Our ignorance, our failure to understand how Republicans have tag-teamed with each other to strip away protections for democracy, is absolutely killing us. > > We’re doing ourselves a disservice if we focus on Trump exclusively. Trump is the runny nose, the diarrhea, the phlegm coming out of our lungs. But Republicans like Mitch McConnell, the oligarchs who support them, and frankly many of their shit-ass voters are the virus. I agree. Trump is a symptom, not the disease. But there was this condescending bullshit coming off those who perceived themselves as wise that this was all a tempest in a teapot. The damage that has been done to our institutions is permanent and catastrophic and there were a lot of pompous douches, tut-tutting about not getting too upset. Now that we have more dead than in the Vietnam war over a few months because the GOP has dismantled our government, can we be upset yet? Or are the elders still remembering that time they went to a protest in 69? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43014 "2020-04-29T16:47:18Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I agree. Trump is a symptom, not the disease. But there was this condescending bullshit coming off those who perceived themselves as wise that this was all a tempest in a teapot. The damage that has been done to our institutions is permanent and catastrophic and there were a lot of pompous douches, tut-tutting about not getting too upset. Now that we have more dead than in the Vietnam war over a few months because the GOP has dismantled our government, can we be upset yet? Or are the elders still remembering that time they went to a protest in 69? If I may rise and speak on behalf of the elders, since I’m a bona fide Boomer: I think that I was one of those “how bad could he be?” types. I thought that regardless of Trump’s personal derangement, he would be stymied by the constitution and the separation of powers and checks and balances. (Note that my sanguine attitude did not mean I sat out the election. I made phone calls for Hillary.) It never occurred to me that a Republican Senate – and specifically, Mitch McConnell, who deserves a spot in the 9th circle of Hell – would be willing accomplices. Never saw that coming. Wrt to “Which is worse…today, or the 60’s?”. They’re both bad in different ways. Today feels like Gilded Age 2.0 – we’re beset by corruption, rather than turmoil and unrest. But at least we don’t have the National Guard shooting students on campus. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43015 "2020-04-29T18:19:29Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > If I may rise and speak on behalf of the elders, since I’m a bona fide Boomer: > > I think that I was one of those “how bad could he be?” types. I thought that regardless of Trump’s personal derangement, he would be stymied by the constitution and the separation of powers and checks and balances. … I was more in the _oh come on, this can’t really be happening_ camp. As 2017 progressed, that feeling transformed into _hey, man, what the fuck is wrong with you people???_ Lately, I have mostly just been feeling exhaustion and hoplessness. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43016 "2020-04-29T18:43:19Z")
Individual 1 wants to refuse aid to states if they have sanctuary laws. > **[Trump wants to use coronavirus aid as leverage to force blue states to change...](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/28/21239903/trump-coronavirus-aid-leverage-states-sanctuary-cities)** > > The president mentioned using aid to force states into "sanctuary city adjustments" in comments to the press Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43017 "2020-04-29T18:53:31Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 wants to refuse aid to states if they have sanctuary laws. > [Trump threatens to cut state coronavirus aid over “sanctuary city” immigration policies - Vox](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/28/21239903/trump-coronavirus-aid-leverage-states-sanctuary-cities) It’s times that like this that make me wish there was a verbal response more resonant and impactful than “Fuck you, asshole!” which just doesn’t seem to carry enough weight any more. ---
**Author:** ![MindsEye\_Watering](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mindseye_watering/32/3619_2.png) [@MindsEye\_Watering](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MindsEye_Watering)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43018 "2020-04-29T18:56:44Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > It’s times that like this that make me wish there was a verbal response more resonant and impactful than “Fuck you, asshole!” which just doesn’t seem to carry enough weight any more. I want to say it to his face. Think the Secret Service would shoot me if I did? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43019 "2020-04-29T19:02:44Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > I want to say it to his face. Think the Secret Service would shoot me if I did? I’d love to know what the Secret Service thinks of him. I bet they have internal discussions on the subject “Would you take a bullet for this asshole?” I think I’ve found something better: the excommunication of Spinoza > [@Jewish Elders of Amsterdam](#): > > Cursed be he by day and cursed be he by night; cursed be he when he lies down, and cursed be he when he rises up; cursed be he when he goes out, and cursed be he when he comes in. The Lord will not spare him; the anger and wrath of the Lord will rage against this man, and bring upon him all the curses which are written in this book, and the Lord will blot out his name from under heaven, and the Lord will separate him to his injury from all the tribes of Israel with all the curses of the covenant, which are written in the Book of the Law. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43020 "2020-04-29T19:16:44Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1 wants to refuse aid to states if they have sanctuary laws. > [Trump threatens to cut state coronavirus aid over “sanctuary city” immigration policies - Vox](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/4/28/21239903/trump-coronavirus-aid-leverage-states-sanctuary-cities) Do not underestimate Trump’s ability to use distractions to confuse and flash shiny objects in front of the faces of scared and confused voters. And, sadly, we shouldn’t overestimate our intelligence and our tendency to be suckers. People are dumb. Those morons who got elected to high office didn’t just get sent here from outer space. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43021 "2020-04-29T19:20:07Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > If I may rise and speak on behalf of the elders, since I’m a bona fide Boomer: > > I think that I was one of those “how bad could he be?” types. I thought that regardless of Trump’s personal derangement, he would be stymied by the constitution and the separation of powers and checks and balances. (Note that my sanguine attitude did not mean I sat out the election. I made phone calls for Hillary.) > > It never occurred to me that a Republican Senate – and specifically, Mitch McConnell, who deserves a spot in the 9th circle of Hell – would be willing accomplices. Never saw that coming. > > Wrt to “Which is worse…today, or the 60’s?”. They’re both bad in different ways. Today feels like Gilded Age 2.0 – we’re beset by corruption, rather than turmoil and unrest. But at least we don’t have the National Guard shooting students on campus. No, we just have Nazis driving cars into crowds of people and being praised by the president and over 50,000 dead in a less than half a year. I would urge you to ask yourself why you didn’t see the GOP undermining our democracy when it has been doing so for decades and Mitch had prevented the previous president from being his Supreme Court nomination for approval. Four dead in Ohio is a catchy song, but it’s nothing to what we are facing now and the tensions that created Trump are nothing to the tensions that will come as climate change continues unabated. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43022 "2020-04-29T19:24:57Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I would urge you to ask yourself why you didn’t see the GOP undermining our democracy… It wasn’t my turn on guard duty, I guess. Like I said: I worked for Hillary. What more did you expect? > [@madmonk28](#): > > Four dead in Ohio is a catchy song, but it’s nothing to what we are facing now… . Not sure why you’re creating a dichotomy. Nobody has to choose – both times are/were bad. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43023 "2020-04-29T19:26:32Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I agree. Trump is a symptom, not the disease. But there was this condescending bullshit coming off those who perceived themselves as wise that this was all a tempest in a teapot. The damage that has been done to our institutions is permanent and catastrophic and there were a lot of pompous douches, tut-tutting about not getting too upset. Now that we have more dead than in the Vietnam war over a few months because the GOP has dismantled our government, can we be upset yet? Or are the elders still remembering that time they went to a protest in 69? It’s understandable that people would conclude that this moment is a mere pendulum swing. Indeed, this country has, in fact, endured a lot in its brief but busy history. But some of those moments we somehow survived could have easily gone the other way. The South could have forced the Union to stop waging the Civil War. The Depression could have resulted in fascism or mob violence. Sheesh, the financial crisis could have turned into an all-out depression. History isn’t necessarily a pendulum. People, and society as a whole, make choices. It’s our responsibility to determine the way that our history will be written. There has to be a moment when people realize that we’re living in an emergency, that this time it’s different, and we need a sense of urgency, and good thinkers and leaders to find a way out. And then people just have to be good citizens. All very easy to put into words, and not nearly as easy to effectuate, I realize. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43024 "2020-04-29T19:39:36Z")
> [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > I want to say it to his face. Think the Secret Service would shoot me if I did? They might just shuffle you out of he area. We have a freedom of speech in this country, and If I am ever in shouting distance, I’m going to do just that. The best I could do so far is flip off his building in Chicago. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43025 "2020-04-29T19:53:45Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > It wasn’t my turn on guard duty, I guess. Like I said: I worked for Hillary. What more did you expect? > > . Not sure why you’re creating a dichotomy. Nobody has to choose – both times are/were bad. One time is much, much worse and people’s reluctance to see the extent of the problem before us is a huge part of the problem. Complacency, inattention, willful ignorance and selfishness from the boomer generation has left our nation in shambles. You not only pulled the ladder up behind you, poured gasoline on us and lit a match. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/43026 "2020-04-29T19:57:27Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > And Trump makes him look like a caring statesman and scholar. > > Well to be fair, compared to Trump he is a statesman and scholar. But it’s a pretty low bar. Trump thinks it’s a limbo contest. & > [@elucidator](#): > > Limbo is a lot easier if you can just ooze your way, rather than scrunching down. I was thinking more of a snake guaranteed a win, but slime oozing under the bar is a much better description. > [@jsc1953](#): > > It’s times that like this that make me wish there was a verbal response more resonant and impactful than “Fuck you, asshole!” which just doesn’t seem to carry enough weight any more. & > [@MindsEye\_Watering](#): > > I want to say it to his face. Think the Secret Service would shoot me if I did? You’d stand a blame sight less chance of getting shot at than yelling to his face what I want to: “I hope you die, you piece of shit!” > [@bobot](#): > > They might just shuffle you out of he area. We have a freedom of speech in this country, and If I am ever in shouting distance, I’m going to do just that. The best I could do so far is flip off his building in Chicago. Yep. When this is all over, I’ll be visiting Korea again (the South, the freedom loving one that piece of shit in the White House hates). There are TTs in Busan, Daegu, and Seoul. Those are the very three cities I’ll be visiting there. I’ll be flipping off those buildings and plan to get it all on video. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2150) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2152)