# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 217
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4321 "2017-05-12T05:04:21Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Can you imagine being one of his spokespeople? How do they know what to say at any given time, knowing that they will be completely contradicted by the muppet-in-chief hours later? “So, were you lying then or are you lying now?” Sean Spicer: #LetHimMisspeak Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4322 "2017-05-12T05:23:30Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Let’s visit What-If-Land, shall we? > > What if Hillary Clinton had won the presidency and 110 days into her administration she fired Comey for how he handled the email investigation against her. In that land, all the same Republican’s who are praising Trump for firing Comey for that very same stated reason, fully support President Clinton and her approval ratings soar into the 60’s. > > I should also mention that in this land unicorns shit M&M’s for all the kids and brown acid flows in all public water systems. I’ve been throwing around this analogy I found quite apt. Imagine if someone, maybe Michael Moore, brought out a movie. A political thriller, not a documentary. In this movie, the republican president of the united states jokingly asks for and legitimately receives help from an enemy foreign power during the election. Then, he fires three different people tasked with investigating whether or not there was any actual collusion. Would that movie piss you off? Would you consider it “on the nose” or “political propaganda”? I would find it absurd and on-the-nose, and _my_ opinion of the republican party could only be lower at this point if they decided they should emulate what’s going on in Chechnya right now! Would you be pissed if, in this political thriller, the republican party, quickly and with virtually no oversight, forced a health care bill through the house in much the same way they accused Obamacare of being forced through, which would lead to 24 million people losing their health care to pay for a tax cut on the very rich? Again, I’d find that _absurd_. That doesn’t sound like the real actions of a political party, that sounds like the kind of thing a party infiltrated by _fucking HYDRA_ would do. Would those movies piss republicans off? I’d say “probably”, because last I checked republicans didn’t like that Oliver Stone movie “W” very much, and that was a pretty damn straightforward biopic that painted the president in a sympathetic light, but at the same time, here we are in the real world, this is what is happening, and Republicans _don’t give a shit!_ > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Roger Stone will be on The View tomorrow. Just throwing that out for anticipation. Just don’t watch. They shouldn’t be hiring or inviting on these paid shills for Trump. It’s not good for _anyone_, except the ratings. > [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > “I could admit on NBC that I’m guilty of obstruction of justice, and not lose the fealty of a single GOP Congressman.” Pretty much, right? > [@Okrahoma](#): > > Sometimes it amazes me just how clueless liberals (or, in your case, communists, right?) are. > > Apart from the obvious (that there is no reason to impeach) Republicans don’t care about “looking good” to you. They really, really don’t. Do you understand that? Yes, the republican party doesn’t have to care about looking good to literally anyone other than their propaganda-fueled base. Not the democrats. Not the moderates. Not any other country in the world. Not sane people. Hey, would the movie about the republican president getting help from outside actors during an election, then firing three people investigating those links piss you off? > [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Checked his approval ratings lately? Even [white males](http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-latest-approval-rating-plunged-republican-fled-president-579151) are abandoning him. And this is pre-Comey firing. [Still relevant](https://medium.com/@davepell/this-is-37-3153b4138628?source=placement_card_footer_grid---------1-43). And still, more than a third of Americans think this he’s doing a pretty good job. What would he have to do to convince them he’s not approval material? He’s already had an unprecendented run of unpresidentialness — complete with misspellings, oddly placed commas, unnecessary all caps, and a total disregard for what our founding fathers had in mind when it came to the appropriate use of quotation marks. And “still” “he’s” “at” 37%. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4323 "2017-05-12T05:49:16Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Isn’t it, you know, kinda wrong for the head of the FBI to discuss an investigation with people who are potential witnesses, or even targets of that investigation? The three times that Comey cleared Trump, if you believe they happened at all, would that be a fireable offense? I’m guessing the dinner never happened. Neither did the phone calls. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4324 "2017-05-12T05:52:28Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Jesus. > > Can you imagine being one of his spokespeople? How do they know what to say at any given time, knowing that they will be completely contradicted by the muppet-in-chief hours later? At least Sean Spicer gets to take a break now. This has been a gruelling few months for him. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4325 "2017-05-12T06:10:31Z")
Alternative Facts are the new reality as The Bloated Trumpo and his sycophants re-imagine and re-invent the events that lead to Comey’s firing. It couldn’t get more bizarre than Trump posing with Russians and Kissinger in the Oval Office. It’s as if Trump accidentally wrote an over the top SNL skit to mock the situation. ---
**Author:** ![Grim\_Render](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@Grim\_Render](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grim_Render)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4326 "2017-05-12T07:50:37Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Would you be pissed if, in this political thriller, the republican party, quickly and with virtually no oversight, forced a health care bill through the house in much the same way they accused Obamacare of being forced through, which would lead to 24 million people losing their health care to pay for a tax cut on the very rich? Again, I’d find that _absurd_. That doesn’t sound like the real actions of a political party, that sounds like the kind of thing a party infiltrated by _fucking HYDRA_ would do. I don’t think it does, really. HYDRA is all about national strength. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4327 "2017-05-12T07:55:13Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > In Canada, the colours are reversed. Red means Liberal, Blue means Conservative. Most countries, actually. It’s one of those things in which the US really are exceptional. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4328 "2017-05-12T08:00:51Z")
> [@Grim\_Render](#): > > I don’t think it does, really. HYDRA is all about national strength. Given that in the SHIELD series there are several mentions of people joining HYDRA for the benefits, doing something that makes those benefits more attractive would be a perfectly logical move on their part. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4329 "2017-05-12T08:34:05Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Most countries, actually. It’s one of those things in which the US really are exceptional. It’s because of the whole mess with the 2000 elections. Traditionally, “blue” represented in the party in power (at the time, the Democrats), while “red” represented the challenger (the Republicans). Because the TV news spent so much time talking about “blue” and “red” states the phrases entered the common vernacular, and people started thinking about these terms as permanent rather than situational. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4330 "2017-05-12T10:38:58Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > See, what I don’t understand is–they could very easily impeach and convict, look good doing so, and in the process get Mike Pence: a backwards, idiotic fuckhead who at least _won’t_ get us all killed and _won’t_ risk utterly destroying their credibility with all but a few shitheaded fanatics. > > But they cling to Orange Hitler like a baby to a booby. Why? Because they’re afraid\* of the millions of nitwits out there who would think that their hero was unjustly attacked by RINOs who just wanted to make themselves look good. \*Really, we need a term for this that has the punch of the old pre-Civil-War “doughface” for Northern politicians who folded at every threat from the slavocracy. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4331 "2017-05-12T10:42:03Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > It’s because of the whole mess with the 2000 elections. Traditionally, “blue” represented in the party in power (at the time, the Democrats), while “red” represented the challenger (the Republicans). Because the TV news spent so much time talking about “blue” and “red” states the phrases entered the common vernacular, and people started thinking about these terms as permanent rather than situational. I thought it was that the news networks alternated the colors every four years. The colors were only used on the electoral college maps during presidential elections; so in one election the Dems would be red and the Pubs blue, and vice versa in the next. It was considered the fair way to do it and no one really cared, anyway. But with the mess in 2000 people started to pay attention and remember the colors, and they’ve stuck as they were in that year. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4332 "2017-05-12T10:46:21Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > And still, more than a third of Americans think this he’s doing a pretty good job. What would he have to do to convince them he’s not approval material? He’s already had an unprecendented run of unpresidentialness — complete with misspellings, oddly placed commas, unnecessary all caps, and a total disregard for what our founding fathers had in mind when it came to the appropriate use of quotation marks. And “still” “he’s” “at” 37%. To be fair, only the last ten points of that are truly anomalous – the rest simply represents the inevitable [Crazification Factor](https://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/lunch-discussions-145-crazification.html): > [@](#): > > Obama vs. Alan Keyes. Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshit crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him. They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgement. Hell, even like 5% of Democrats voted for him. That’s crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% Crazification Factor in any population. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4333 "2017-05-12T10:49:23Z")
In WW2, one of every 11 Germans alive on September 1st, 1939 were dead by May 3rd, 1945… and Hitler _still_ had to remove himself from power. Don’t expect Republicans to act any different. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4334 "2017-05-12T12:43:43Z")
> [@Beren\_Erchamion](#): > > See, what I don’t understand is–they could very easily impeach and convict, look good doing so, and in the process get Mike Pence: a backwards, idiotic fuckhead who at least _won’t_ get us all killed and _won’t_ risk utterly destroying their credibility with all but a few shitheaded fanatics. > > But they cling to Orange Hitler like a baby to a booby. Why? Because Republican voters still overwhelmingly support Trump. As [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/12/the-one-little-number-that-so-far-is-all-of-the-protection-donald-trump-needs/) points out, Trump has an 84 approval rating AMONG REPUBLICANS. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4335 "2017-05-12T12:44:31Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > Given that in the SHIELD series there are several mentions of people joining HYDRA for the benefits, doing something that makes those benefits more attractive would be a perfectly logical move on their part. Assuming you are talking about the “incentives program” towards the end of the first season, those were not health benefits they were talking about, but instead, hydra had kidnapped a child or other loved one, and keeping them safe or alive was your incentive to work for them. So yeah, pretty much exactly like the trump admin. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4336 "2017-05-12T12:53:27Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Sometimes it amazes me just how clueless liberals (or, in your case, communists, right?) are. > > Apart from the obvious (that there is no reason to impeach) Republicans don’t care about “looking good” to you. They really, really don’t. Do you understand that? It is only as amazing as the clueless blindness of the tribalist American reactionary FN type Right who forget it seems as this comment does that there is the audience that is not the Left but the center, and the self-harm that playing to the True Believers does. but as it seems you have convinced yourselves, in the style of the old style Communists, that everyone not on your True Believer side party line is an ideological opponent purely, a Left (of course the old Communists it was collabo with the capitlism), the door of reasoning is closed. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4337 "2017-05-12T13:05:13Z")
Oh Christ. [Now he’s threatening Comey.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-james-comey_us_5915aa91e4b0031e737d0012?7t6&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009) > [@](#): > > James Comey better hope that there are no “tapes” of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press! ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4338 "2017-05-12T13:13:53Z")
He’s also threatening to stop press conferences this morning on twitter. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4339 "2017-05-12T13:34:59Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Oh Christ. [Now he’s threatening Comey.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-james-comey_us_5915aa91e4b0031e737d0012?7t6&ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009) Hey, Bob. The President just admitted he has secret tapes. Isn’t that… you know… subpoenable evidence? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4340 "2017-05-12T13:38:52Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Hey, Bob. > > The President just admitted he has secret tapes. > > Isn’t that… you know… subpoenable evidence? Wouldn’t that be delicious? Maybe not as gross as the Moscow Golden Shower tapes but I’ll take them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=216) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=218)