# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2209
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44167 "2020-06-03T21:42:12Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Individual 1’s press sycophant compares Individual 1’s stroll to the church to Churchill visiting bomb damage during World War II > [https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500977-white-house-compares-trumps-church-visit-to-churchill](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500977-white-house-compares-trumps-church-visit-to-churchill) Indeed. Churchill often had to use dozens of police to disperse a crowd of protesters before he went anywhere… Right? And remember that time Churchill went to a church uninvited for 30 seconds, (After having the reverend thrown out) and got pictures of himself holding a bible upside down? That totally happened. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44168 "2020-06-03T21:42:56Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Sorry, no. King’s defeat was probably more due to his being stripped of committee assignments, so he had no power to do anything for his district. The guy who beat him, Feenstra, says on his website that he > > “is a true Christian conservative and has been a leading voice defending life, including fighting to defund Planned Parenthood, sponsoring a bill that defined life at conception and is a strong supporter of amending the Iowa Constitution to not grant the right to an abortion.” He’s also strongly in favor of more tax cuts, and opposes any form of gun control. > > So at best, he might be less racist than King, but he’s certainly nothing for Dems to celebrate. And 36% of Republicans there voted for King. Says something about that 36%. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44169 "2020-06-03T22:08:53Z")
> [@TonySinclair](#): > > Sorry, no, unless overt racism is your only definition for insanity. King’s defeat was probably more due to his being stripped of committee assignments, so he had no power to do anything for his district. The guy who beat him, Feenstra, says on his website that he > > “is a true Christian conservative and has been a leading voice defending life, including fighting to defund Planned Parenthood, sponsoring a bill that defined life at conception and is a strong supporter of amending the Iowa Constitution to not grant the right to an abortion.” He’s also strongly in favor of more tax cuts, and opposes any form of gun control. > > So at best, he might be less racist than King, but he’s certainly nothing for Dems to celebrate. I didn’t say it was a coming to Jesus moment for republicans, but it’s still a good sign nevertheless. I’ll take it. ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44170 "2020-06-03T22:52:19Z")
[Mattis speaks.](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/) ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44171 "2020-06-03T23:05:32Z")
> [@Fretful\_Porpentine](#): > > [Mattis speaks.](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/) Awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44172 "2020-06-03T23:10:28Z")
> [@Fretful\_Porpentine](#): > > [Mattis speaks.](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/) I look forward to Trump’s juvenile and asinine tweet in response to this mature piece of writing. (narrator: He is not looking forward to it) ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44173 "2020-06-03T23:12:00Z")
[Statement from Father Robert Hendrickson, Rector at Saint Philip’s in the Hills Episcopal Church in Tucson, AZ](https://theurbannews.com/latest-news/2020/protestors-attacked-outside-of-st-johns-church-in-washington-dc/) > [@](#): > > This is an awful man, waving a book he hasn’t read, in front of a church he doesn’t attend, invoking laws he doesn’t understand, against fellow Americans he sees as enemies, wielding a military he dodged serving, to protect power he gained via accepting foreign interference, exploiting fear and anger he loves to stoke, after failing to address a pandemic he was warned about, and building it all on a bed of constant lies and childish inanity. Pretty much sums it up. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44174 "2020-06-03T23:18:18Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > [Statement from Father Robert Hendrickson, Rector at Saint Philip’s in the Hills Episcopal Church in Tucson, AZ](https://theurbannews.com/latest-news/2020/protestors-attacked-outside-of-st-johns-church-in-washington-dc/) > Pretty much sums it up. Nothing in there about collusion. Winning! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44175 "2020-06-03T23:24:33Z")
> [@Fretful\_Porpentine](#): > > [Mattis speaks.](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/) > [@jsc1953](#): > > Awesome. Great. But what took him so GODDAMN long?? :mad: > [@](#): > > But after his resignation, he argued publicly—and to great criticism—that it would be inappropriate and counterproductive for a former general, and a former Cabinet official, to criticize a sitting president. Doing so, he said, would threaten the apolitical nature of the military. When I interviewed him last year on this subject, he said, “When you leave an administration over clear policy differences, you need to give the people who are still there as much opportunity as possible to defend the country. They still have the responsibility of protecting this great big experiment of ours.” > … In normal times, maybe. But in these times: BULL. SHIT. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44176 "2020-06-03T23:29:53Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I’m not sure if this article has been posted: > > [British Writer Pens The Best Description Of Trump I’ve Read](https://coming42.livejournal.com/479179.html?utm_source=fbsharing&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR0So3-4tsOnMUsh5TSCAGz_NdlyxXraONLck2TVCzwVZfsHcSkIU9Ak33I) > Those are just the last paragraphs. The whole article is a nice takedown of Trump. Yep. “Even his flaws have flaws sums it up pretty well.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44177 "2020-06-03T23:30:44Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Great. > > But what took him so GODDAMN long?? :mad: > In normal times, maybe. But in these times: BULL. SHIT. I wonder if his timing might just carry more weight? He is essentially saying that people in the armed forces should not follow the commands of Trump, but rather their constitutional oath. And this is directed at all levels of the forces, top to bottom. And that message is really needed right now. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44178 "2020-06-03T23:31:01Z")
I’m with you Thelma. Mattis can piss off, far as I’m concerned. ---
**Author:** ![jshore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5e925/32.png) [@jshore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jshore)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44179 "2020-06-03T23:41:25Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I wonder if his timing might just carry more weight? He is essentially saying that people in the armed forces should not follow the commands of Trump, but rather their constitutional oath. And this is directed at all levels of the forces, top to bottom. And that message is really needed right now. I agree. It is not like Mattis did not make it clear in his resignation letter that he thought Trump was an idiot. But, I think he wanted to really save his fire until it was most desperately needed. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44180 "2020-06-03T23:43:53Z")
In desperate times we should take allies where we can get them. Shame on Mattis for playing a role in normalizing Trump (and waiting until now to speak out), good for Mattis for recognizing it now and speaking out. Forward movement is better than the lack thereof. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2020, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44181 "2020-06-04T00:00:48Z")
> [@Fretful\_Porpentine](#): > > [Mattis speaks.](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/) That’s going to cause cognitive dissonance for some MAGAsses. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44182 "2020-06-04T00:06:42Z")
Not really. They’ll find some way of convincing themselves that Mattis is a cuck. There’s no reasoning with them! They worship Trump as if he is an infallible god. I’m fucking beyond disgusted with this. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2020, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44183 "2020-06-04T00:16:38Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > That’s going to cause cognitive dissonance for some MAGAsses. ha ha ha! No. Mattis is now the enemy. The MAGAts will probably accuse him of being Antifa, and a terrorist. We have always been at war with Eastasia. We have always hated Mattis. ---
**Author:** ![Llama\_Llogophile](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@Llama\_Llogophile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Llama_Llogophile)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2020, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44184 "2020-06-04T00:21:55Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I’m not sure if this article has been posted: > > [British Writer Pens The Best Description Of Trump I’ve Read](https://coming42.livejournal.com/479179.html?utm_source=fbsharing&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR0So3-4tsOnMUsh5TSCAGz_NdlyxXraONLck2TVCzwVZfsHcSkIU9Ak33I) > Those are just the last paragraphs. The whole article is a nice takedown of Trump. I found this particularly interesting: > [@](#): > > \*And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty. \* Penn Jillette was on Celebrity Apprentice with Trump. On his podcast he’s said something quite similar, and that he’d never seen Trump tell a joke or even laugh except in an unkind manner. He’d seen him laugh AT people, but never with them. That’s a scary thing, a person with literally no sense of humor. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2020, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44185 "2020-06-04T00:34:06Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Great. > > But what took him so GODDAMN long?? :mad: > In normal times, maybe. But in these times: BULL. SHIT. Well, maybe he did [speak out before](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html), but this time he actually signed his statement. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2020, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44186 "2020-06-04T00:35:25Z")
> [@Llama\_Llogophile](#): > > I found this particularly interesting: > > Penn Jillette was on Celebrity Apprentice with Trump. On his podcast he’s said something quite similar, and that he’d never seen Trump tell a joke or even laugh except in an unkind manner. He’d seen him laugh AT people, but never with them. > > That’s a scary thing, a person with literally no sense of humor. I hate to defend Trump, but he actually did tell a joke once (which some extremely brave aide probably wrote for him), and it actually was sort of self-deprecating, although the main brunt fell on Melania. He was talking about how the press was unfair to him and his family, and said that when Michelle Obama made a speech, the press fawned over her. But when Melania made the very same speech… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2208) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2210)