# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 222
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4421 "2017-05-12T17:49:10Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Nice. This tracks with the known behavior of Trump and his asskissing squad. How many times did he/his squad accuse someone else of doing that they themselves have done? This is the best evidence so far that tapes may, in fact, exist and may, in fact, be hilarious to listen to. ---
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4422 "2017-05-12T17:50:15Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Speaking of[clusterfucks:](http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/11/politics/trump-comey-russia-turmoil/index.html) Yes, but what the public wants to know is … is Trump going to Mar-a-Lago this weekend?!? (PS it’s supposed to be unseasonably chilly in NJ, so he’s probably not going to Bedminster) ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4423 "2017-05-12T17:51:02Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > No. “Certified letter” does not mean that. Ever. Different terminology is used for what you mean. Like “sworn deposition”. A “certified letter” is guaranteed for delivery by the carrier, with no relevance to content. If the administration means something other than that, they need to find and use the appropriate word things. But using the wrong words to describe their lies is the defining quality of playing 4 dimensional chess. Using words to mean what they actually mean is the purview of the libtard. A true genius Humpty Dumptys the hell out of this shit. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4424 "2017-05-12T17:53:20Z")
I’m firing Comey based on the recommendation of the Deputy Attorney General, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me. But I actually fired him to put an end to the Russia investigation, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. Comey had better hope there are no “tapes” of our conversations, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me. But as FBI director he would have known there are no tapes, he would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4425 "2017-05-12T17:53:43Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I’m guessing the dinner never happened. Neither did the phone calls. They both say there was a dinner. Trump says Comey pled for his job, Comey said Trump demanded he give him loyalty. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4426 "2017-05-12T17:55:20Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > There are no recordings. And even if there were (which I doubt) he would simply not release them. Can’t find them. Don’t know where they are. They “died in a fire” Whatever bullshit works. “Conversations with (sick) Comey recorded on a Zune. Unfortunately, the failing Microsoft cancelled the Zune can’t share them with anyone, especially not the fake media or so-called Congress. Sad!” Stranger ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4427 "2017-05-12T17:55:31Z")
Perhaps he misunderstood “certifiable”? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4428 "2017-05-12T17:56:09Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > In other news, Trump’s tax lawyer acknowledges that Trump has [income from Russia](http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/12/the-associated-press-trump-lawyer-tax-returns-from-past-10-years-show-no-income-of-any-type-from-russian-sources-with-few-exceptions.html) Which is different than business ties. > [@](#): > > To expand his real estate developments over the years, Donald Trump, his company and partners repeatedly turned to wealthy Russians and oligarchs from former Soviet republics [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/03/28/trump-business-past-ties-russian-mobsters-organized-crime/98321252/) > [@](#): > > So, yes, it’s true that Trump has failed to land a business venture inside Russia. But the real truth is that, as major banks in America stopped lending him money following his many bankruptcies, the Trump organization was forced to seek financing from non-traditional institutions. Several had direct ties to Russian financial interests in ways that have raised eyebrows. What’s more, several of Trump’s senior advisors have business ties to Russia or its satellite politicians. [Time](http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/) > [@](#): > > “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., told a real estate conference in 2008, according to an account posted on the website of eTurboNews, a trade publication. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.” [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-trumps-financial-ties-to-russia-and-his-unusual-flattery-of-vladimir-putin/2016/06/17/dbdcaac8-31a6-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.723cadea2045) > [@BobLibDem](#): > > Not to worry, [he’s sending a certified letter to Lindsey Graham attesting to his lack of Russia ties.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-09/trump-preparing-certified-letter-attesting-to-no-russia-ties) Wow, a certified letter! You can’t go wrong if you send a certified letter! What, no telegram? I loved how he interrupted Lester Holt to hammer home the point that the letter was Certified. Maybe if he used steam powered delivery tubes it would get there faster. :rolleyes: > [@SteveG1](#): > > I hereby “certify” in “writing” that each of you are required to pay me 1 bazillion dollars. 🆒 Sure. I’ll write you a check. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4429 "2017-05-12T17:58:57Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I’m firing Comey based on the recommendation of the Deputy Attorney General, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me. > > But I actually fired him to put an end to the Russia investigation, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. > > Comey had better hope there are no “tapes” of our conversations, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me. > > But as FBI director he would have known there are no tapes, he would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. Never go in against a Cecilian when Death is on the line! ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4430 "2017-05-12T18:00:37Z")
If Trump owns a business that is based in the US and generates revenue from its operations in Russia, would that show up in Trump’s own _personal_ tax forms as income from Russia? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4431 "2017-05-12T18:04:13Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > They both say there was a dinner. Trump says Comey pled for his job, Comey said Trump demanded he give him loyalty. I believe that there was a dinner, and that Trump wrapped a couple coils around a puppy, squeeze the life out of it, and swallowed it whole. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4432 "2017-05-12T18:07:08Z")
I don’t claim credit for the following line: It’s impressive that he has managed to back himself into a corner when his office is an oval. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4433 "2017-05-12T18:11:31Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > [Schiff](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/12/adam-schiff-donald-trump-comey-tapes-238321) demanding Trump turn over tapes. Sorry, “tapes”. I love these quotes: > [@Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.)](#): > > If the President has ‘tapes’ of his conversations with Director Comey, it is because the president himself made them. For a President who baselessly accused his predecessor of illegally wiretapping him, that Mr. Trump would suggest that he, himself, may have engaged in such conduct is staggering. > > The president should immediately provide any such recordings to Congress or admit, once again, to have made a deliberately misleading — and in this case threatening — statement. > [@Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.)](#): > > With respect to the president’s suggestion that as a very busy person, he doesn’t have time to ensure that his spokespeople are accurately portraying his actions — it is difficult to know how to respond — except to say, being truthful with the American people is a core responsibility of the job. If he did not want to willingly undertake even the minimal requirements of the presidency, it would have been far better for him to have considered that before he chose to run for the highest office in the land. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4434 "2017-05-12T18:12:09Z")
Read somewhere: “Jeffrey Dahmer never killed anyone, with a very few exceptions.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4435 "2017-05-12T18:12:17Z")
Spicy is back! - Trumps comments about the secret tapes was not “a threat”, it was “a fact”. So Spicy has just basically confirmed that Trump made secret recordings of himself and the Director of the FBI. - Trump is “dismayed” at the press. He wanted a “loyalty pledge” out of Comey. All Hail Dear Leader! ---
**Author:** ![Crybaby\_Boobie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crybaby_boobie/32/545_2.png) [@Crybaby\_Boobie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crybaby_Boobie)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4436 "2017-05-12T18:15:17Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I don’t claim credit for the following line: > > It’s impressive that he has managed to back himself into a corner when his office is an oval. He doesn’t understand that reference either: [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-ytrjdVYAAropg.jpg) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-ytrjdVYAAropg.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4437 "2017-05-12T18:16:23Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > - Trumps comments about the secret tapes was not “a threat”, it was “a fact”. So Spicy has just basically confirmed that Trump made secret recordings of himself and the Director of the FBI. Until Trump goes on … let’s say 60 Minutes … and completely contradicts everything Spicey just said. It’s not like that hasn’t happened in the last 24 hours or anything. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4438 "2017-05-12T18:27:55Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > No. “Certified letter” does not mean that. Ever. Different terminology is used for what you mean. Like “sworn deposition”. A “certified letter” is guaranteed for delivery by the carrier, with no relevance to content. If the administration means something other than that, they need to **find and use the appropriate word things**. I almost did a spit take at the bolded part. My only wish for this fiasco is that the impeachment proceedings begin in July or August so I can run down to South Carolina and get some good peaches to make a celebratory impeachment pie. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4439 "2017-05-12T18:30:39Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I believe that there was a dinner, and that Trump wrapped a couple coils around a puppy, squeeze the life out of it, and swallowed it whole. If you send someone a \*certified \*letter about that event, then it HAS TO BE TRUE! ---
**Author:** ![Crybaby\_Boobie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crybaby_boobie/32/545_2.png) [@Crybaby\_Boobie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crybaby_Boobie)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4440 "2017-05-12T18:33:42Z")
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