# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2236
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44707 "2020-06-13T23:25:54Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > It really has nothing to do with Texas. Think of it as the date when slavery ended in America — Texas just happened to be the last to get the word. Slavery didn’t end in all of America on June 19, 1865 (the first Juneteenth). It was still legal in Kentucky and Delaware, where slavery didn’t end until December 18, 1865 when the 13th Amendment went into effect. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44708 "2020-06-13T23:32:34Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Ooooo… tell us more. > > Seriously, I never watch him on TV because I’m old and emotionally fragile and it could kill me. For people who watched and (God help you) listened to him, how did he look/sound? I hate asking you to remember, but I’d be interested in some details. Did all the cadets stand shoulder-to-shoulder in the audience with no masks? Were there any masks in sight? > > In about two weeks we can look for a burst of positive COVID tests at West Point, right? I’ve only seen a short sequence, but the orange paint was more obvious than in any footage I’ve seen before. His make up people don’t seem to give a shit anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44709 "2020-06-13T23:34:37Z")
> [@DummyGladHands](#): > > Masked & distanced, but in their cadet unis. Aren’t they commissioned 2nd looeys now?? Wrong uni?? I’m no expert at all, but in the pictures of the cadets today the uniforms look just like the ones I’m finding in a Google Image search for the 2014 commencement, chosen more or less at random. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44710 "2020-06-13T23:36:24Z")
Several posts after this one speculated on why Trump backed off the Juneteenth date for his rally, but I think OttoDaFe has the right answer in the post quoted here (which was at the bottom of the page for those using the ‘20 posts per page’ formatting). I agree that Trump was warned that a revived counter-programming rally, filled with people carrying anti-Trump signs–and possibly Trump Baby balloons and other symbols of the nation’s contempt for him–might get more coverage than his own rally. That would be something he’d do anything to avoid. > [@OttoDaFe](#): > > If that be true, my guess is that he found out that the usual Juneteenth celebration — which had been cancelled because of the pandemic — was being revived in a smaller format. And he was afraid of being outdrawn. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44711 "2020-06-13T23:39:03Z")
> [@DummyGladHands](#): > > Masked & distanced, but in their cadet unis. Aren’t they commissioned 2nd looeys now?? Wrong uni?? There is also footage of him having a rough time walking down either a ramp or steps looking very unsteady. There’s a little pic of the spaced-out\* cadets on the NPR website. I don’t see why they have to wear masks, stand apart, and refrain from shaking hands since the virus is a **DEMOCRAT HOAX!!** :dubious: \*Distance-wise, that is. Although listening to Dear Leader could space anyone out. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44712 "2020-06-13T23:51:30Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > There’s a little pic of the spaced-out\* cadets on the NPR website. > > I don’t see why they have to wear masks, stand apart, and refrain from shaking hands since the virus is a **DEMOCRAT HOAX!!** :dubious: > > \*Distance-wise, that is. Although listening to Dear Leader could space anyone out. If he really believes it’s a hoax, he wouldn’t require waivers at his upcoming rally. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44713 "2020-06-13T23:55:00Z")
I only caught a little bit of the footage, but a couple of things struck me. First, the way Trump was leaning heavily on the lectern as he spoke to the cadets. It was sloppy and lazy-looking. Not a flattering contrast with the cadets, who stood patiently at attention. Second, even though the cadets were standing in a customary formation, there was a set to their body language that appeared… less than welcoming. I’ll allow this may be me projecting, but you know how you can look out at an audience and tell when they’re just enduring the speaker? That’s how they struck me. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2020, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44714 "2020-06-13T23:55:13Z")
> [@DummyGladHands](#): > > Masked & distanced, but in their cadet unis. Aren’t they commissioned 2nd looeys now?? Wrong uni?? There is also footage of him having a rough time walking down either a ramp or steps looking very unsteady. I go down steps better with two store bought knees and I’m only a few years younger than The Donald. The man seriously looks like someone who has had a mini-stroke. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44715 "2020-06-14T00:10:53Z")
> [@DummyGladHands](#): > > The 2 handed sip of water at the West Point speech struck me as odd. Can someone post a link to some video for me, before I have to go and search for it myself? (There’s only so much effort I’m willing to put into seeing a Trump video.) [Article at Raw Story on the subject](https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/worries-trump-is-deteriorating-rapidly-after-video-shows-him-struggling-to-walk-down-a-ramp-they-cant-hide-this-much-longer/), consisting largely of a collection of tweets about it. [Tweet thread by Aaron Rupar](https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/status/1271902553417138176/video/1) about the speech overall, as linked by the above Raw Story story. (It may actually include the video I’m looking for, but my browser doesn’t do videos well. I’ll have to check it out using my other browser.) > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Brad Parscale claims that over 300,000 tickets have been given out for the Tulsa rally. For an arena that holds 19,000 people. Why cancel/postpone that Juneteenth rally? Just my totally fact-free speculation here: He didn’t really get anywhere near the 300,000 registrations he boasted about. > [@Mike\_Mabes](#): > > I said I am a little worried, not too much. People don’t change, orangutans even less so. Reported for language insulting to orangutans. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44716 "2020-06-14T00:15:42Z")
Anyone remember that event a few years ago when Mayor De Blasio addressed the entire New York police department, in an outdoor address attended by representatives of police forces nationwide, and they all turned their backs on him? Woulda been so cool if the entire graduating class of West Point cadets had turned their backs on Trump’s speech. Now, THAT I would take the trouble to search for the video and watch it! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44717 "2020-06-14T00:24:31Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > If he really believes it’s a hoax, he wouldn’t require waivers at his upcoming rally. WHAT??? Are you saying trump is mendaciously participating in an untruth! Say it isn’t so! > [@Aspenglow](#): > > I only caught a little bit of the footage, but a couple of things struck me. > > First, the way Trump was leaning heavily on the lectern as he spoke to the cadets. It was sloppy and lazy-looking. Not a flattering contrast with the cadets, who stood patiently at attention. > > Second, even though the cadets were standing in a customary formation, there was a set to their body language that appeared… less than welcoming. I’ll allow this may be me projecting, but you know how you can look out at an audience and tell when they’re just enduring the speaker? That’s how they struck me. I think those were just some very high class, expensive Korean sex dolls. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44718 "2020-06-14T00:32:11Z")
I just can’t help wondering how Jim Jones he is going to get. First it was along the lines of “drink Pine Sol to prevent the virus”, and now it is “Come spread the virus to all my followers.” Most people will agree Trump world is a cult. What’s next, bleach communion? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44719 "2020-06-14T00:42:12Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I just can’t help wondering how Jim Jones he is going to get. First it was along the lines of “drink Pine Sol to prevent the virus”, and now it is “Come spread the virus to all my followers.” Most people will agree Trump world is a cult. What’s next, bleach communion? The big thing now is ultraviolet light. I’m just wondering whether Trump will do down the front door or up the back door. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44720 "2020-06-14T01:54:58Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Attendees should demonstrate their belief that COVID is a hoax by coughing loudly rather than applause. Can I “spray it, not say it” when meeting the orange clown? ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Mabes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mike_mabes/32/1782_2.png) [@Mike\_Mabes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mike_Mabes)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44721 "2020-06-14T02:03:36Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Several posts after this one speculated on why Trump backed off the Juneteenth date for his rally, but I think OttoDaFe has the right answer in the post quoted here (which was at the bottom of the page for those using the ‘20 posts per page’ formatting). > > I agree that Trump was warned that a revived counter-programming rally, filled with people carrying anti-Trump signs–and possibly Trump Baby balloons and other symbols of the nation’s contempt for him–might get more coverage than his own rally. That would be something he’d do anything to avoid. That negates my response earlier. He hasn’t learned shit. He still thinks he can win with just the support of his base. He can’t. Assuming a fair election, he is done. He has no chance of being relected. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44722 "2020-06-14T02:05:52Z")
I think y’all are being a little hard on Our President, in light of the fact that tomorrow is his birthday. I plan on tweeting him a large “Happy Birthday” message…along with a picture of a smiling Barak Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44723 "2020-06-14T02:15:34Z")
> [@DummyGladHands](#): > > The 2 handed sip of water at the West Point speech struck me as odd. Several photos of Individual 1 having problems drinking water. [https://www.facebook.com/calltoactivism/photos/a.398732900513772/1185106478543073/?type=3&theater](https://www.facebook.com/calltoactivism/photos/a.398732900513772/1185106478543073/?type=3&theater) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44724 "2020-06-14T02:29:09Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Several photos of Individual 1 having problems drinking water. > > [CALL TO ACTIVISM - CALL TO ACTIVISM for much needed sanity! | Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/calltoactivism/photos/a.398732900513772/1185106478543073/?type=3&theater) Maybe Robert Hays could coach him on proper drinking technique. ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44725 "2020-06-14T02:34:36Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Reading the tweet about moving the rally off of Juneteenth sounds to me like he had someone tell him it would be bad optics, but he still doesn’t know what Juneteenth IS. Whoever set up the date and the location of the rally knew what Juneteenth is, and meant it to be a YUUGE dogwhistle event. I smell Miller. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44726 "2020-06-14T02:40:45Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Several photos of Individual 1 having problems drinking water. > > [CALL TO ACTIVISM - CALL TO ACTIVISM for much needed sanity! | Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/calltoactivism/photos/a.398732900513772/1185106478543073/?type=3&theater) I have permanent central nervous system damage. Some days I need two hands to hold my tea. Some days the tremors are such that I cannot hold my tea at all. But I will explain this to anyone who asks or notices because I am not a toxic narcissist. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2235) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2237)