# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\
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**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44807 "2020-06-15T17:09:29Z")

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> [@steronz](#):
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> Nothing personal, but that’s not much of a cite.

Here’s a better one.

> **[FTD-Signs-and-Symptoms-bvFTD.pdf](https://www.theaftd.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/FTD-Signs-and-Symptoms-bvFTD.pdf)**
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Trump certainly qualifies for some of the listed behaviors, although at least not “Attempting to consume inedible objects”, so far as we know.

If someone happens to see him trying to swallow a golf ball next time he’s out on the links, it may be time, finally, to pack it in.

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**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44808 "2020-06-15T17:13:36Z")

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So far as we know.

I would not be at all surprised to find out that Trump was cramming bits of paper, coins and random objects into his mouth, and his handlers are constantly on alert to stop it.

This may come out in the dozens of “tell all” books that seek to profit after the election.

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**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44809 "2020-06-15T17:15:03Z")

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> [@El\_Kabong](#):
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> Here’s a better one.
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> [https://www.theaftd.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/FTD-Signs-and-Symptoms-bvFTD.pdf](https://www.theaftd.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/FTD-Signs-and-Symptoms-bvFTD.pdf)
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> Trump certainly qualifies for some of the listed behaviors, although at least not “Attempting to consume inedible objects”, so far as we know.
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> If someone happens to see him trying to swallow a golf ball next time he’s out on the links, it may be time, finally, to pack it in.

I haven’t seen anything (try as I might) about posture-related physical bearing and/or gait in any of the sources I’ve looked at.

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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44810 "2020-06-15T17:27:45Z")

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> [@kaylasdad99](#):
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> I haven’t seen anything (try as I might) about posture-related physical bearing and/or gait in any of the sources I’ve looked at.

See if this yields anything. Google

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> Frontotemporal Dementia stance posture

Look at “all” and then at “images”

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**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44811 "2020-06-15T17:28:02Z")

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> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> Granted. But it had the picture and the description. Suggest you google it for yourself.

[I did](https://www.nia.nih.gov/health/what-are-symptoms-frontotemporal-disorders), [actually](https://www.alzheimers.net/signs-of-frontotemporal-dementia/). I didn’t find any that mention that [specific](https://www.alz.org/alzheimers-dementia/what-is-dementia/types-of-dementia/frontotemporal-dementia) [posture](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/frontotemporal-dementia/symptoms-causes/syc-20354737).

(ninja’d by kaylasdad99)

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**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44812 "2020-06-15T17:32:24Z")

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> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> See if this yields anything. Google Look at “all” and then at “images”

Which of those images specifically do you think supports the claim? I did a google image search and that posture is associated with Parkinson’s disease. In fact, the picture you originally linked to from reddit isn’t actually associated with dementia, it’s [someone with parkinson’s.](https://twitter.com/tomjchicago/status/1263811708566503427)

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**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44813 "2020-06-15T17:33:52Z")

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[Here’s the origin of the drawing in the top corner in that Reddit link.](https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-36975-0_4)

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**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44814 "2020-06-15T17:36:01Z")

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> [@steronz](#):
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> Which of those images specifically do you think supports the claim? I did a google image search and that posture is associated with Parkinson’s disease. In fact, the picture you originally linked to from reddit isn’t actually associated with dementia, it’s [someone with parkinson’s.](https://twitter.com/tomjchicago/status/1263811708566503427)

From my above link (emphasis mine):

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> In the era of James Parkinson, atypical parkinsonian syndromes were not yet recognized as distinct entities. Later, Charcot pointed out to his pupils in his rounds at the Salpêtrière Hospital that there were subgroups of “PD” patients with atypical features such as lack of tremor, extension of the trunk and arms (in contrast to flexion in the “classic PD” patients) (Fig. 4.1), and staring/quizzical facial expression (Fig. 4.2). **The latter two are now recognized as clinical features of progressive supranuclear palsy.**

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**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44815 "2020-06-15T18:23:46Z")

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A bad day for Individual 1.  
1-The Supreme Court ruled, with Gorsuch writing the majority opinion, that employers can’t discriminate against LGBTQ employees.  
2-The Supreme Court refused to overturn a lower court’s ruling that states cannot be required to work with ICE.  
3-The FDA removed authorization of malaria drugs in treating Covid 19.

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**Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44816 "2020-06-15T18:27:28Z")

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> [@romansperson](#):
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> I think it’s incredibly dangerous to underestimate these people.

Agreed.

> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> Basically, I think the only people who will go to the Trump Tulsa rally are the dumbest of the dumb-asses, who have no idea how risky this is, and most likely engage in risky behaviour elsewhere. These people are probably more likely to be carrying Covid, because they have not been following good health practice anyway.
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> And they are probably travelling from a distance, and will carry the infection back with them. (As Dr. Jha of Harvard said above)

Good. Let them select themselves out of the gene pool. Trumpanzees are exactly the kind of people this planet needs less of.

Bad: they’ll also infect so many innocent people in the process.

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**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44817 "2020-06-15T19:20:31Z")

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> [@CalMeacham](#):
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> The microphones are bracing him so he doesn’t fall forward.

Between the air in his head, and the load in his pants, he’s very well balanced there.

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**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44818 "2020-06-15T19:22:41Z")

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> [@romansperson](#):
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> Yes, apparently they are that confident. I just posted this same thing in a thread over in P&E.
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> [GOP party operatives seem to think that this election will be even better for Agent Orange than 2016.](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/15/trump-glide-reelection-republican-officials-316457)
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> I think it’s incredibly dangerous to underestimate these people.

The difference in confidence levels is astounding to me. I think I linked to a fivethirtyeight piece a while back where they explored Dems’ general lack of confidence in a November win. My belief that this will be a tight election is bolstered by Nate Silver’s observation that polls taken fairly close to Election Day average about a four point margin of error over the years and Trump is polling within or close to that margin in most of the battleground states. But if the aggregate polls showed Biden trailing nationwide by 8-10 points, I’d be calling it over.

Still, to believe that pollsters have an “agenda” in anything besides accuracy – it’s a competitive field – is a tremendous projection. They don’t hesitate to predict a landslide based on not much more than feels.

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**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44819 "2020-06-15T19:40:16Z")

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Thinking more about it’s posture, well, Trump has been a bully his entire life. Getting in your face and yelling is a common tactic I would think, so he naturally leans over to do so.

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**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\
**Post date:** [June 15, 2020, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44820 "2020-06-15T23:20:21Z")

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> [@ThelmaLou](#):
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> Melania does fine in 4-inch stilettos. Maybe she should give him lessons.

I’m a sexist pig. That said, most photos show her in 5-inch heels. She’s a physically attractive woman. Repeat, I’m a sexist pig - a leg man specifically.😛

#adderallsmygame #makesomethingsomthingagain #amileaking?

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**Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44821 "2020-06-16T00:02:19Z")

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[This](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/trump-ramp-walks-west-point-slippery-steep.html) article has a wider shot of the Danger Ramp of Death.

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**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44822 "2020-06-16T00:12:52Z")

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Libtards who say that Trump doesn’t have a comprehensive plan to reduce the number of reported coronavirus cases will have to eat their words.

> **[Trump says that 'if we stop testing right now, we'd have very few cases' of...](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-stop-coronavirus-testing-right-now-have-very-few-cases-2020-6)**
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> States across the country — particularly in the South and the West — are seeing spikes in new coronavirus cases.

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**Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44823 "2020-06-16T00:15:29Z")

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> [@Darren\_Garrison](#):
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> [This](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/trump-ramp-walks-west-point-slippery-steep.html) article has a wider shot of the Danger Ramp of Death.

From the link.

[QUOTE]  
It is true there was no handrail, but this merely attests to the fact that the ramp was gentle and dry and did not require one.

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> It is true there was no handrail, but this merely attests to\*\* the fact that the ramp was gentle\*\* and dry and did not require one.

That is not a gentle slope for someone who is frail or compromised in some way.

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**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44824 "2020-06-16T00:27:09Z")

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> [@smithsb](#):
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> I’m a sexist pig. That said, most photos show her in 5-inch heels. She’s a physically attractive woman. Repeat, I’m a sexist pig - a leg man specifically.😛
> 
> #adderallsmygame #makesomethingsomthingagain #amileaking?

I don’t get why noting that an attractive woman IS attractive and has great legs makes you sexist, let alone a sexist pig. 😕

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**Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44825 "2020-06-16T00:27:32Z")

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> [@TonySinclair](#):
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> Libtards who say that Trump doesn’t have a comprehensive plan to reduce the number of reported coronavirus cases will have to eat their words.
> 
> [Trump: 'If We Stop Testing Right Now, We'd Have Very Few Cases'](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-stop-coronavirus-testing-right-now-have-very-few-cases-2020-6)

[He’s been saying that since at least a month ago.](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=22304896&postcount=43600)

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**Post date:** [June 16, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44826 "2020-06-16T00:33:44Z")

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If you look at the virus, it collapses its waveform and the illness becomes real.

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