# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2245
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44887 "2020-06-18T01:11:45Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > School choice? Do you mean the choice to, and I quote from more than a couple of house-hunters I heard say this to my father in the late 1980s when Dad was a realtor in Florida, ensure they “can’t have their kids go to school with no N~s”? That choice? And that is more important a civil right than for Blacks to not be owned as property and killed at the whim of their owners? > > If you vote for this turd–Hell, if you support this turd in anything whatsoever, you are no better than he is. You are, in fact, no better than the steaming pile of diarrhea my neighbors’ dog left on the sidewalk last month. NITPICK: I have a vivid and difficult-to-suppress memory of witnessing a great Dane consuming his own diarrhea once on the Strand in Hermosa Beach, California. The above is offered as an anecdote to suggest that your neighbor’s dog perhaps didn’t actually LEAVE it. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44888 "2020-06-18T01:16:56Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Last night, Stephen Colbert held up a copy of Bolton’s book. He’s reading it but has agreed to not discuss it until it drops next Tuesday (and when he will have Bolton as a guest). > > So Trump’s lawsuit is a completely pointless waste of time. The horse is out of the barn. The New York Times has a [review](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/books/review-room-where-it-happened-john-bolton-memoir.html) of the book, so yes, the horse is out of the barn and is wandering around the countryside. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44889 "2020-06-18T05:16:51Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > That is not exactly what it means. There is a perception, on the part of some, that public education system is irredeemably broken and the only way to insure that _your_ child gets the best education possible is to send them to a private school. Hence, “vouchers”, which take money out of the schools’ tax base so that you can do that. I think you can add up how that works out. I’m going to go with their stated expressions of their desires. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44890 "2020-06-18T06:32:01Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > The New York Times has a [review](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/17/books/review-room-where-it-happened-john-bolton-memoir.html) of the book, so yes, the horse is out of the barn and is wandering around the countryside. From the review, it seems like Bolton is his own type of Trump, always self-aggrandizing and using a lot of word salad. ---
**Author:** ![steatopygia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steatopygia/32/3132_2.png) [@steatopygia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steatopygia)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44891 "2020-06-18T06:59:04Z")
Goodbye cruel world. (vBulletin) ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44892 "2020-06-18T12:48:37Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > There is a perception, on the part of some, that public education system is irredeemably broken and the only way to insure that _your_ child gets the best education possible is to send them to a private school. Yeah, about that. I’m totally sure that this perception of quality is in no way influenced heavily by the relative diversity of public schools. Just like I’m totally sure that private schools aren’t by and large overwhelmingly white. Just like I’m totally sure this is why you see this drive for private education is surely higher in affluent suburbs than within cities themselves, and that those suburbs must be more racially diverse than the urban cores, and that very diversity is what drives these affluent minorities in a ‘flight’ so to speak out to the 'burbs. Yup. Sure about all those things. Call it a dog-opera instead of a dog-whistle if you want. Works out the same in the end. FWIW, I remember many of my mostly white, middle to upper class friends in the 80s and 90s leave the local public schools for a new private high school that opened up. And it sure as hell wasn’t for quality (it wasn’t quite as good when it first opened) or religious (the denominations of the students didn’t come close to matching the school’s). Ok, I’ll come right out and say it - most of them straight up said their families didn’t want them going to school with a bunch of black people. Not coincidentally, they’re all solid school voucher supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44893 "2020-06-18T13:09:32Z")
Well said, **Great Antibob**. People against government handouts demand handouts from the government to fund their racist lifestyle. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44894 "2020-06-18T14:13:55Z")
BREAKING: The Supreme Court rules against the trump administration, in favor of the DACA “Dreamers” program. This is encouraging: first SCOTUS ruled against the trump admin in favor of LGBTQ rights, and now this. It looks like SCOTUS will not be a rubber stamp for trumpian policies. Caveat: SCOTUS ruled against the way the trump admin tried to go about shutting down DACA, not the legality of its existence. So the trump admin could try to go about shutting it down another way, potentially. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44895 "2020-06-18T14:21:11Z")
Awesome, Solost — thanks. See you all on the other side! I feel like I’m entering the portal in _Being John Malkovich_… let’s hope the new place is nicer than the New Jersey Turnpike… ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44896 "2020-06-18T14:28:32Z")
Did l’Orange’s Chosen One on the Court vote against him? ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44897 "2020-06-18T14:36:37Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Did l’Orange’s Chosen One on the Court vote against him? No, Roberts + the four more liberal members of the Court. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44898 "2020-06-18T14:57:25Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > FWIW, I remember many of my mostly white, middle to upper class friends in the 80s and 90s leave the local public schools for a new private high school that opened up. And it sure as hell wasn’t for quality (it wasn’t quite as good when it first opened) or religious (the denominations of the students didn’t come close to matching the school’s). Ok, I’ll come right out and say it - most of them straight up said their families didn’t want them going to school with a bunch of black people. Not coincidentally, they’re all solid school voucher supporters. When I went to parochial high school in 1965-1969, it was seen as a refuge from the chaos in the public schools. The neighborhood was Italian and Irish, as was about 90% of the student body. We had a smattering of Puerto Rican students who came up on the subway from the South Bronx. We had only one or two black students in each year. (There were none in my year. We had one but the first day of freshman year he was so scared that he threw up and we never saw him again.:() [This is what my high school looks like today.](https://www.straymondhighschool.org/) The neighborhood is now mostly Latino and black, but I think it’s still seen as a refuge from the public schools. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44899 "2020-06-18T14:58:06Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Did l’Orange’s Chosen One on the Court vote against him? You actually think “I like beer!” would ever vote against trump? He probably calls him before so he knows which way to vote. Gorsuck, maybe… as we saw in the LGBTQ case. But not Kavanaugh. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44900 "2020-06-18T15:01:40Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > School choice? Do you mean the choice to, and I quote from more than a couple of house-hunters I heard say this to my father in the late 1980s when Dad was a realtor in Florida, ensure they “can’t have their kids go to school with no N~s”? That choice? And that is more important a civil right than for Blacks to not be owned as property and killed at the whim of their owners? It was originally intended as a backdoor way to funnel government money to conservative Christian groups. The Republicans can’t directly hand these groups government money. But the groups can set up private schools and the Republicans can set up a program that gives people vouchers to give government money to private schools. The voucher program was never really about education; it was about paying off political supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44901 "2020-06-18T15:18:28Z")
Nah It’s about having the people they’re disenfranchising pay for their privilege. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44902 "2020-06-18T15:19:47Z")
…the first Trump tweet EVER that had me both agreeing with him and cracking up laughing. > [@The President of the United States of America](#): > > Do you get the impression that the Supreme Court doesn’t like me? > ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44903 "2020-06-18T16:08:37Z")
Now, now. The rest of us don’t like you either, Mr. President. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44904 "2020-06-18T16:26:37Z")
Show me a President that _didn’t_ have something shot down by the Supremes at one point or another. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44905 "2020-06-18T16:27:48Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Show me a President that _didn’t_ have something shot down by the Supremes at one point or another. William Henry Harrison? ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/44906 "2020-06-18T16:29:09Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > You actually think “I like beer!” would ever vote against trump? He probably calls him before so he knows which way to vote. > > Gorsuck, maybe… as we saw in the LGBTQ case. But not Kavanaugh. Yeah, Gorsuck (hehe) was a nice surprise on the LGBTQ ruling, but Kavanaugh is proving to be pure lickspittle lackey. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2244) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=2246)