# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 229
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4561 "2017-05-15T22:50:47Z")
White House will be releasing a statement to reporters momentarily. Gee, wonder what they’re gonna say? I know! Spicer has Been FIRED! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4562 "2017-05-15T22:57:19Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > White House will be releasing a statement to reporters momentarily. Gee, wonder what they’re gonna say? > > I know! Spicer has Been FIRED! That’ll teach him not to release classified stuff to the Russians. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4563 "2017-05-15T22:57:31Z")
Politicians who plan to be [hypocrites](http://thehill.com/homenews/news/333504-paul-ryan-tweet-on-classified-info-resurfaces-after-bombshell-trump-report), shouldn’t tweet: “Individuals who are “extremely careless” with classified information should be denied further access to such info.” - Paul Ryan ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4564 "2017-05-15T22:58:29Z")
Reuters is reporting : > [@](#): > > Senior White House official Dina Powell denies that Trump gave classified information in Russia meeting - statement > by Amy Tennery (Reuters) 3:47 PM > > “At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly”: Trump National Security Adviser McMaster > by Amy Tennery (Reuters) 3:47 PM > > Two U.S. officials confirm Washington Post report that Trump revealed highly classified information in meeting with Russia’s Lavrov > by Amy Tennery (Reuters) 3:38 PM > > Trump discussed with Lavrov a ‘broad range of subjects’ including ‘threats regarding counter-terrorism’: Tillerson > by Amy Tennery (Reuters) 3:33 PM > > Secretary of State Tillerson says Trump did not discuss ‘sources, methods or military operations’ in meeting with Russia’s Lavrov > by Amy Tennery (Reuters) 3:32 PM ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4565 "2017-05-15T23:02:01Z")
Too bad the Trump Whitehouse has been lying relentlessly for months. A reputation for telling the truth would really come in handy for them right about now. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4566 "2017-05-15T23:02:13Z")
McConnell, Ryan, Pence and others will be wearing the stench for supporting this administration for a very long time to come. I genuinely believe only the surface has been scratched when it comes to corruption and incompetence, and it will all come out in the wash eventually. **Stranger** is right that none of these would do the right thing even if Trump put razor wire around their balls and gave it a hard tug. But I think other Republicans will. Some are right on the brink of breaking with their party. This might just do it. If not, nothing will. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4567 "2017-05-15T23:04:43Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > McConnell, Ryan, Pence and others will be wearing the stench for supporting this administration for a very long time to come. I genuinely believe only the surface has been scratched when it comes to corruption and incompetence, and it will all come out in the wash eventually. > > **Stranger** is right that none of these would do the right thing even if Trump put razor wire around their balls and gave it a hard tug. But I think other Republicans will. Some are right on the brink of breaking with their party. This might just do it. > > If not, nothing will. If I screw up at work, I can’t sleep. But, my screwups are unlikely to end up in history books. I can’t imagine what the hell is motivating these people. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4568 "2017-05-15T23:07:09Z")
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**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4569 "2017-05-15T23:18:07Z")
Top story on [Foxnews.com](http://Foxnews.com) right now: “BACK IN THE POLITICAL SPOTLIGHT Clinton launches Onward Together PAC, calls on members to ‘resist’”. If you scroll down, and avoid the fact that the font is approximately 2500% smaller, you get the mealy mouthed: “Report claims Trump revealed classified info about ISIS to Russians” Here’s why there isn’t more outrage. It’s because they’re working with different data. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4570 "2017-05-15T23:21:19Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Politicians who plan to be [hypocrites](http://thehill.com/homenews/news/333504-paul-ryan-tweet-on-classified-info-resurfaces-after-bombshell-trump-report), shouldn’t tweet: > > “Individuals who are “extremely careless” with classified information should be denied further access to such info.” - Paul Ryan How about [this tweet](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/750648675186147328) from the Cheeto in Chief: > [@](#): > > Crooked Hillary Clinton and her team “were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.” Not fit! > > July 6, 2016 And [this](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831853862281699331): > [@](#): > > The real scandal here is that classified information is illegally given out by “intelligence” like candy. Very un-American! > > February 15, 2017 ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4571 "2017-05-15T23:31:36Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > If I screw up at work, I can’t sleep. But, my screwups are unlikely to end up in history books. I can’t imagine what the hell is motivating these people. Their motivation is the fervent desire to make the United States irrelevant. The people who voted for Trump were hoping to kick over the hornet’s nest, drain the swamp, and fuck over other people. They’ve succeeded on one count, and as a result nations are turning their backs on the U.S. Your two biggest trading partners are China and Canada. They’re spending the rest of the year in talks to eliminate tariffs between themselves. Canada is about to ratify a trade deal with the EU, and is in talks with Japan and the UK. Mexico is entering talks with the EU. When Trump next blurts out that he wants to renegotiate NAFTA, Canada and Mexico will tell him to go right ahead, and hold news conferences saying that shutting down NAFTA will hurt U.S. citizens way more than it’ll hurt Canadians or Mexicans. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4572 "2017-05-15T23:47:40Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > And the source will not be happy that Trump decided his buddies really needed to know. > [@jasg](#): > > Sounds like he started out bragging… This scenario was predicted months ago when it was reported intelligence agencies were holding back Intel because they were worried about this very thing. What foreign agencies are going to want to share if Trump is going to blab and expose them. Also, a CT’er might say this was not just incidental stupidity on Trump’s part, but part of his Russian serfdom and that’s why the US press was barred! Why not? It would no longer be that surprising. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4573 "2017-05-15T23:49:27Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > From the [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_trumpintel-0504pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.bbbfacfa0fac). > [@](#): > > Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador > > “This is code-word information,” said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump “revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies.” Two words: Holy Shit. And will this make any difference to the spineless Republicans in Congress? No, it will not. The Trump apologists will be clinging to the “It’s not illegal if the president does it” thread. What in hell is it going to take to keep the USA (and the world) safe from this dangerous idiot? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4574 "2017-05-15T23:56:52Z")
> [@](#): > > “At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly”: Trump National Security Adviser McMaster > by Amy Tennery (Reuters) 3:47 PM That’s good, because WaPo did not report that Trump did any of those things. He just gave the Russians information enough that the Russians can glean both of these things. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4575 "2017-05-15T23:58:47Z")
Good thing we didn’t elect Crooked Hillary and her unsecured email server! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4576 "2017-05-16T00:00:52Z")
Jeffery Lord would defend Trump even if he were the one that Trump shoots in the middle of 5th Ave. I think CNN keeps him on for the comedy. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4577 "2017-05-16T00:01:12Z")
In some ways, I don’t see what the big deal is. This information seemed to be on a “need to know” basis, and the Russians needed to know. I’m sure they asked very politely, yes? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4578 "2017-05-16T00:02:13Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > That’s good, because WaPo did not report that Trump did any of those things. He just gave the Russians information enough that the Russians can glean both of these things. Exactly right. The strategy now is to muddy the waters. They really don’t give a shit, do they? They’re selling their own country out. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4579 "2017-05-16T00:08:59Z")
> [@](#): > > “At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly”: Trump National Security Adviser McMaster > by Amy Tennery (Reuters) 3:47 PM > [@JohnT](#): > > That’s good, because WaPo did not report that Trump did any of those things. He just gave the Russians information enough that the Russians can glean both of these things. McMaster also said : > [@](#): > > “The story that came out tonight as reported is false.” I could drive a truck through that… ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4580 "2017-05-16T01:25:59Z")
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