# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 233
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4641 "2017-05-16T07:00:13Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I am not sure why I should believe the story coming from the Trump Derangement Syndrome anonymous sources when the National Security Advisor, the Deputy National Security Advisor and the Secretary of State, who were eyewitnesses to the event, say unequivocally, in those words, that “the story is false”. > > See my leftist conspiracy theory thread. The left has jumped the shark. Because nearly everything from this administration is a lie? Back on February 14, the day after Flynn was fired, the NY Times came out with a story that many 45 officials had met with Russians during and after the campaign. All of the above denied that story. In fact, the story was true and has been supported by many other journalists and even under oath by Clapper. I’ll listen to the subsequent reporting, but right now, for me, the WaPo has much higher credibility than that braying ass in the Oval Office. ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4642 "2017-05-16T07:50:27Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I genuinely believe only the surface has been scratched when it comes to corruption and incompetence, and it will all come out in the wash eventually. This exactly. I have a feeling that once this whole thing collapses and all the stories start coming out, we will all be completely dumbfounded. Even those of us who have stated from the beginning what a “clusterfuck” this administration is will be just totally gobsmacked. Those who supported him will then fall into 2 categories. People who will deny ever having supported him, or folks like Okrahoma who will refuse to believe anything no matter how much evidence comes out. The thing I just can’t wrap my head around is how is there ANYONE at all who still supports this guy? I guess the only way those hard core supporters will abandon him is when the United States looks like some post apocalypse wasteland like from Terminator or something. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4643 "2017-05-16T09:39:02Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > McMaster: **“The story that came out tonight as reported is false.”** (Bolding mine) > > That’s a direct quote. How much clearer can he get? He could be much clearer – for example, he could have said “The President revealed no classified or otherwise sensitive information to the Russians”. He didn’t say that. ---
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4644 "2017-05-16T09:54:15Z")
I’ll just leave this here, from Trump’s interview with The Economist. I swear to god, it’s like the President is a relatively dim 6th grader perpetually trying to bluff his way out of not having read the homework assignment: > [@Trump & The Economist](#): > > **It sounds like you’re imagining a pretty big renegotiation of NAFTA. What would a fair NAFTA look like?** > Big isn’t a good enough word. Massive. > > **Huge?** > It’s got to be. It’s got to be. > > **What would it look like? What would a fair NAFTA look like?** > No, it’s gotta be. Otherwise we’re terminating NAFTA. > > **What would a fair NAFTA look like?** > _I was all set to terminate, you know? And this wasn’t like…this wasn’t a game I was playing. I’m not playing…you know, I wasn’t playing chess or poker or anything else. This was, I was, I’d never even thought about…it’s always the best when you really feel this way. But I was…I had no thought of anything else, and these two guys [Enrique Peña Nieto and Justin Trudeau] will tell you, I had no thought of anything else but termination. But because of my relationship with both of them, I said, I would like to give that a try too, that’s fine. I mean, out of respect for them. It would’ve been very disrespectful to Mexico and Canada had I said, “I will not.”_ > > **But Mr President, what has to change for you not to withdraw?** > We have to be able to make fair deals. Right now the United States has a 70—almost a $70bn trade deficit with Mexico. And it has about a $15bn dollar trade deficit with Canada. The timber coming in from Canada, they’ve been negotiating for 35 years. And it’s been…it’s been terrible for the United States. You know, it’s just, it’s just been terrible. They’ve never been able to make it. > > **Does that $70bn deficit have to come to zero to be fair?** > Not necessarily. And certainly it can come over a, you know, fairly extended period of time, because I’m not looking to shock the system. But it has to become at least fair. And no, it doesn’t have to immediately go to zero. But at some point would like to get it at zero, where sometimes we can be up and sometimes they can be up. > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > David Brooks’ column today is priceless. It must be especially painful for this staunch conservative apologist to watch the debacle that the White House has become. > [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Brooks is an old-style reactionary conservative asshole who would have been more comfortable under a Jeb Bush presidency. He has a tongue leathered from licking bungholes, a ten million dollar house, a dumped first wife, and a new trophy 20-some years younger than he is. > > He’s just as confused by Trump as we are, and terrified that his shenanigans are going to compromise his comfy lifestyle. David Brooks – who is about the most moderate Republican that still exists these days and writes more columns criticizing the right than the left – takes so much shit from online liberals that it’s actually crazy. I’m pretty sure it’s because (A) he writes for the NY Times so folks on the left might actually come across his work, and (B) a pile-on has started so it’s just expected to be done for sport. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4645 "2017-05-16T10:59:32Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > I’ll just leave this here, from Trump’s interview with The Economist. I swear to god, it’s like the President is a relatively dim 6th grader perpetually trying to bluff his way out of not having read the homework assignment: 6th grade? You give that rodeo clown that much credit? Sheesh!!! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4646 "2017-05-16T11:10:16Z")
Maybe Trump should abdicate so that [The Little Shit](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/barron-trump-st-andrews-episcopal.html?_r=0) can assume, **The Thrown**. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4647 "2017-05-16T11:22:16Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Maybe Trump should abdicate so that [The Little Shit](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/us/politics/barron-trump-st-andrews-episcopal.html?_r=0) can assume, **The Thrown**. No matter what Trump’s done, that’s out of bounds. The kid can’t control who his parents are. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4648 "2017-05-16T11:38:11Z")
Eh, Cheetolini just confirmed the WaPo report: "As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining… …to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism." > Not even a denial or an accusation of “crooked media”. I’m sure that’s coming later. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4649 "2017-05-16T12:22:46Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Eh, Cheetolini just confirmed the WaPo report: > > "As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining… > > …to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism." > > [x.com](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/864436162567471104) > > Not even a denial or an accusation of “crooked media”. I’m sure that’s coming later. and 10 minutes ago - [x.com](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/864452996129853444) [QUOTE=twittertrump] I have been asking Director Comey & others, from the beginning of my administration, to find the LEAKERS in the intelligence community… [/QUOTE] uhhh - dude - you FIRED Director Comey…and apparently the leak starts with you. Fucking idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4650 "2017-05-16T12:31:02Z")
> [@simster](#): > > uhhh - dude - you FIRED Director Comey…and apparently the leak starts with you. The ship of state is the only ship that leaks from the top. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4651 "2017-05-16T12:42:18Z")
> [@simster](#): > > uhhh - dude - you FIRED Director Comey…and apparently the leak starts with you. > > Fucking idiot. I don’t understand why he thinks harping on the leaks helps his case. Leaks happen because of weak leadership. People don’t know where the ship is going and they don’t trust their own management to correct course, so they go to the press. Run a better organization and there won’t be so many leaks. It’s like he’s highlighting his own ineptitude as a leader thinking that it will make people like him more. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4652 "2017-05-16T13:18:33Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I don’t understand why he thinks harping on the leaks helps his case. Leaks happen because of weak leadership. People don’t know where the ship is going and they don’t trust their own management to correct course, so they go to the press. Run a better organization and there won’t be so many leaks. It’s like he’s highlighting his own ineptitude as a leader thinking that it will make people like him more. Not only that - but by going after the ‘leakers’ - it only serves to confirm that the information leaked was valid/accurate - and that he didn’t like that others found out about it. The comments (may have been an opinion peice, not sure now where I saw it) that "Flynn would still have a job if it weren’t for the leakers’ is probably the most telling thing in this regard. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4653 "2017-05-16T13:22:56Z")
Wonder what all those R Senators and Congressman are going to do now, those who said “disturbing, if true.” :crickets: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4654 "2017-05-16T13:24:35Z")
They will say “I’m very disturbed” and carry on being the Republican low-lifes that they is. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4655 "2017-05-16T13:40:14Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I am not sure why I should believe the story coming from the Trump Derangement Syndrome anonymous sources when the National Security Advisor, the Deputy National Security Advisor and the Secretary of State, who were eyewitnesses to the event, say unequivocally, in those words, that “the story is false”. > > See my leftist conspiracy theory thread. The left has jumped the shark. Maybe we should have a senate select committee investigate this alleged breach of security. After all, if we had 9 different Republican headed committees investigating Clinton and this attack (none of which found anything), it can’t hurt to have one little committee investigate the relationship between Trump and Russia, amiright Okra? I mean just on the off chance that where there is smoke, there is fire. I mean the whole thing with Flynn was unfortunate, and of course all the lobbying that Manafort has done for Russia. I am sure you are right that these are just stupid conspiracy theories and that these dumb libtards are butthurt over winning too much, but just to be sure we should check, right? It didn’t hurt with Clinton, Obama, and Clinton… ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4656 "2017-05-16T13:47:22Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I am not sure why I should believe the story coming from the Trump Derangement Syndrome anonymous sources when the National Security Advisor, the Deputy National Security Advisor and the Secretary of State, who were eyewitnesses to the event, say unequivocally, in those words, that “the story is false”. > > See my leftist conspiracy theory thread. The left has jumped the shark. lol, ur guy just thru U under the bus, lol ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4657 "2017-05-16T13:48:42Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > I don’t understand why he thinks harping on the leaks helps his case. Leaks happen because of weak leadership. People don’t know where the ship is going and they don’t trust their own management to correct course, so they go to the press. Run a better organization and there won’t be so many leaks. It’s like he’s highlighting his own ineptitude as a leader thinking that it will make people like him more. Also, Trump proved to us that the leaks are necessary. If it weren’t for the leaks, the NSA would still be Michael Flynn. Those 18 days would still be going. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_fun_ball/32/17664_2.png) [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Fun_Ball)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4658 "2017-05-16T13:57:22Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I am not sure why I should believe the story coming from the Trump Derangement Syndrome anonymous sources when the National Security Advisor, the Deputy National Security Advisor and the Secretary of State, who were eyewitnesses to the event, say unequivocally, in those words, that “the story is false”. > > See my leftist conspiracy theory thread. The left has jumped the shark. OK, but now I am confused; why did Trump tweet this morning that he had every right to do what he did when what he did never happened? Who should I believe now Okra? Sent from my XT1650 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4659 "2017-05-16T14:01:28Z")
> [@Happy\_Fun\_Ball](#): > > Maybe we should have a senate select committee investigate this alleged breach of security. After all, if we had **9 different Republican headed committees investigating Clinton** and this attack (none of which found anything), it can’t hurt to have one little committee investigate the relationship between Trump and Russia, amiright Okra? … My bold. Yes, but _\_ Benghazi! Emails! Vince Foster! Passing out at 9/11 event! Emails! (Did we mention those?) Pantsuits! Blahblahblah. We’ll find something, goddammit. ---
**Author:** ![CatandMouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@CatandMouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatandMouse)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4660 "2017-05-16T14:15:44Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I am not sure why I should believe the story coming from the Trump Derangement Syndrome anonymous sources when the National Security Advisor, the Deputy National Security Advisor and the Secretary of State, who were eyewitnesses to the event, say unequivocally, in those words, that “the story is false”. > > See my leftist conspiracy theory thread. The left has jumped the shark. You might want to go take a peek at Prez Clown Shoes Twitter feed this morning. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=232) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=234)