# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 234
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4661 "2017-05-16T14:22:30Z")
> [@CatandMouse](#): > > You might want to go take a peek at Prez Clown Shoes Twitter feed this morning. I have. It doesn’t change my opinion. There is nothing in the tweets that says “I improperly revealed classified information” - not unless one is afflicted with the Trump Derangement Syndrome. As many on this board obviously are. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4662 "2017-05-16T14:25:04Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I have. It doesn’t change my opinion. There is nothing in the tweets that says “I improperly revealed classified information” - not unless one is afflicted with the Trump Derangement Syndrome. As many on this board obviously are. The Derangement Syndrome is actually with those who think Trump can do/has done no wrong. That includes the deliberately obtuse. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4663 "2017-05-16T14:26:39Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I have. It doesn’t change my opinion. There is nothing in the tweets that says “I improperly revealed classified information” - not unless one is afflicted with the Trump Derangement Syndrome. As many on this board obviously are. He essentially said “I properly revealed classified information”. It’s entirely reasonable to disagree with that assertion and assert that it was improper and puts allies and assets at risk. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4664 "2017-05-16T14:31:11Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I have. It doesn’t change my opinion. There is nothing in the tweets that says “I improperly revealed classified information” - not unless one is afflicted with the Trump Derangement Syndrome. As many on this board obviously are. Would you honestly be giving Obama as many breaks if he did something like this? Dude, he revealed information obtained by a third party nation without their consent. In addition, the Russians now know who that third party is. Now let’s suppose you’re the head of intelligence for that third party. Do you suppose you’d be less willing to share intelligence with the US, knowing that dipstick is going to feed it right to the Kremlin? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4665 "2017-05-16T14:35:57Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I have. It doesn’t change my opinion. There is nothing in the tweets that says “I improperly revealed classified information” - not unless one is afflicted with the Trump Derangement Syndrome. As many on this board obviously are. Last nite - the WH admin was busily sayhing he did not disclose antyhing (well, very very specific things). Today - Trump is saying ‘he had the right to disclose the info he did’. While those two sets of facts are not necessarily in conflict - Trump has no reason to defend disclosing things that are not sensitive - which then makes the implications that - a) his staff still don’t know what to say to the press b) that he did disclose sensitive information ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4666 "2017-05-16T14:39:48Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I have. It doesn’t change my opinion. There is nothing in the tweets that says “I improperly revealed classified information” - not unless one is afflicted with the Trump Derangement Syndrome. As many on this board obviously are. As **BobLibDem** says. Step back for just a second and think about what you’re saying. Would you honestly have the same response if it were Hillary or Obama caught up with exactly the same sort of scandal? I sure as shit would be pissed and wanting an explanation if Hillary or Obama were revealing codeword intelligence. I’m guessing that, no, you would not put up with this shit from Obama or Hillary or any other Democrat. So why here? ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4667 "2017-05-16T14:40:07Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > I have. It doesn’t change my opinion. There is nothing in the tweets that says “I improperly revealed classified information” - not unless one is afflicted with the Trump Derangement Syndrome. As many on this board obviously are. You’re right. We don’t yet have all the information. As noted Conservative [Erick Ericson](http://theresurgent.com/i-know-one-of-the-sources/) claims based on his own information, it’s possible that it’s much worse than currently being reported. ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4668 "2017-05-16T14:42:11Z")
It’s very darkly funny but these recent events have made me believe it’s very unlikely that Trump was _personally_ involved in any sort of nefarious conspiracy with the Russians or anyone else. (Some of his associates, on the other hand, are still shady as hell, and have probably been manipulating him from here to Timbuktu.) Can you imagine this asshole being involved with, say, Russian intelligence to strategically release e-mails from the DNC hack? He’d be on Twitter, “You wouldn’t believe the “sources” I’ve got, really great totally secret agreement with best oaths to never tell. Believe me.” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4669 "2017-05-16T14:46:04Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > As **BobLibDem** says. Step back for just a second and think about what you’re saying. Would you honestly have the same response if it were Hillary or Obama caught up with exactly the same sort of scandal? I sure as shit would be pissed and wanting an explanation if Hillary or Obama were revealing codeword intelligence. > > I’m guessing that, no, you would not put up with this shit from Obama or Hillary or any other Democrat. **So why here?** Because Trump is The Messiah. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4670 "2017-05-16T14:46:49Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Would you honestly be giving Obama as many breaks if he did something like this? Dude, he revealed information obtained by a third party nation without their consent. And you know this how? Because anonymous sources told you so? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4671 "2017-05-16T14:51:02Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > And you know this how? Because anonymous sources told you so? Trump said he did. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4672 "2017-05-16T14:54:49Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Trump said he did. That doesn’t mean that Trump supporters [will believe him](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/15/15640570/trump-comey-russia-republican-voters). \*"President Donald Trump has said the real reason he fired James Comey from the FBI was because of the bureau’s investigation into links between Trump’s 2016 campaign associates and Russia. But that doesn’t seem to have gotten through to the majority of Republican voters. Nearly two-thirds (63 percent) of Republicans still believe the White House’s first rationale for Comey’s firing — that the FBI director was dismissed for poorly handling the investigation into Hillary Clinton emails — according to a recent public poll from NBC and the Wall Street Journal. Overall, 38 percent of Americans still believe Clinton’s emails were behind the firing, according to the poll conducted from May 11 to 13."\* ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4673 "2017-05-16T14:58:09Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > And you know this how? Because anonymous sources told you so? > [@running\_coach](#): > > Trump said he did. The Cheeto’s Twitter feed. [First tweet](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/864436162567471104) > [@](#): > > As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining… [Second tweet.](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/864438529472049152) > [@](#): > > …to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4674 "2017-05-16T14:58:37Z")
Trump the businessman has already greatly increased at least one aspect of government efficiency – he cut out the middleman of private servers, and is providing classified information directly to foreign representatives. No need for expensive and time consuming hacking! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4675 "2017-05-16T14:59:47Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Trump said he did. Yep. And in doing so, he threw everyone under the bus again: > [@](#): > > Mr. Trump’s Twitter posts on Tuesday morning appeared to undercut the carefully worded statements made by his advisers Monday night to try to dispute the original news reports without taking issue with specific facts in them. > [@](#): > > Administration officials were blindsided by the president’s messages early Tuesday and scrambled to reconcile the gap between them and General McMaster’s comments. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4676 "2017-05-16T15:00:16Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Trump said he did. As I said. Trump Derangement Syndrome. Makes you see things that are not there. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4677 "2017-05-16T15:06:57Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > And you know this how? Because anonymous sources told you so? Once again: Same story. Same anonymous sources. Instead of Trump, substitute Clinton or Obama. Is your reaction the same? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4678 "2017-05-16T15:08:48Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > Once again: Same story. Same anonymous sources. Instead of Trump, substitute Clinton or Obama. Is your reaction the same? Of course not. Just like your reaction would not be the same if it was reversed. Or are you pretending to be non-partisan? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4679 "2017-05-16T15:12:23Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > And you know this how? Because anonymous sources told you so? You have to get with the talking points, as they have evolved. It’s no longer “Trump didn’t discuss confidential information with the Russians”. It’s now: “Trump can disclose whatever he wants for any reason” Trump has even thrown you under the bus and you’re too stupid to realize it. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4680 "2017-05-16T15:12:49Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Of course not. Just like your reaction would not be the same if it was reversed. Or are you pretending to be non-partisan? My reaction would be the same. I’d be demanding an explanation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=233) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=235)