# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 240
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4781 "2017-05-16T22:26:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html) > > According to this, James Comey wrote a memo immediately after Trump asked him to stop the Flynn investigation. > > If this memo exists, I predict we’ll be seeing it pretty damn soon. Wait - Trump asked the FBI to stop investigating Flynn? And then fires the guy he asked? ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4782 "2017-05-16T22:37:25Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Wait - Trump asked the FBI to stop investigating Flynn? > > And then fires the guy he asked? Yep, shit just got real. A lot of talking heads on CNN are talking about “obstruction of justice” and “impeachment” in a serious way. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4783 "2017-05-16T22:39:15Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Wait - Trump asked the FBI to stop investigating Flynn? > > And then fires the guy he asked? Well, yes, but it’s not an actual crime, because the president did it, so that’s OK. And there’s nothing to see here, because Liberal Media, so look away. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4784 "2017-05-16T22:46:56Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Well, yes, but it’s not an actual crime, because the president did it, so that’s OK. And there’s nothing to see here, because Liberal Media, so look away. Obstruction of justice is a crime even for the President. Declassifying intelligence was the previous scandal. Try to keep up. 🙂 Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4785 "2017-05-16T22:47:30Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Yep, shit just got real. A lot of talking heads on CNN are talking about “obstruction of justice” and “impeachment” in a serious way. Good for them; it keeps their jaw muscles tight. But Paul Ryan wouldn’t lead a vote for impeachment in the House if Trump handed over his children to Putin to chop up and cook in his borscht, so a bunch of newsheads flapping their lips means just about fuck-all in the context of “shit just got real”. When Ryan and McConnell start talking about impeachment and conviction, I’ll start buying Baskin-Robbins franchises in Hell. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4786 "2017-05-16T22:48:46Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > His official proclamation that Trump did not reveal classified information to the Russian foreign minister ambassador is arguable an actionable violation of Article 107, False Statements, even if Trump can hold himself guiltless by virtue of executive authority and privilege. Except McMaster never made that proclamation. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4787 "2017-05-16T22:52:30Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Except McMaster never made that proclamation. That’s odd. You’ve been claiming he did. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4788 "2017-05-16T22:53:06Z")
I’m going to ask the mods to change the title of this thread - the clusterfuck is offically made. (and has been for some time) ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4789 "2017-05-16T22:54:54Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > That’s odd. You’ve been claiming he did. Nope. Apparently you have reading comprehension problems. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4790 "2017-05-16T22:56:21Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Good for them; it keeps their jaw muscles tight. But Paul Ryan wouldn’t lead a vote for impeachment in the House if Trump handed over his children to Putin to chop up and cook in his borscht, so a bunch of newsheads flapping their lips means just about fuck-all in the context of “shit just got real”. When Ryan and McConnell start talking about impeachment and conviction, I’ll start buying Baskin-Robbins franchises in Hell. > > Stranger Lapdog Ryan is not going to lead the charge but this could be an inflection point. Comey’s memorandum about Trump asking him to drop the Flynn case is going to be considered solid evidence. Even if nothing happens immediately, Republicans are going to distance themselves from Cheetoface going forward. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4791 "2017-05-16T22:57:03Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Nope. Apparently you have reading comprehension problems. Yeah? Show us where you didn’t say it. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4792 "2017-05-16T22:57:45Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > So they’re saying he’s too stupid to fuck up? Not so sure. I think he’s too stupid to fuck up deliberately and intentionally, but he’s plenty stupid enough to do it unintentionally while \*\*intending \*\*to impress his Russian friends with how important he is. So of Trump, the supposed commander in chief, is too stupid to fuck up the country, who is really running the place?? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4793 "2017-05-16T23:05:17Z")
There are as-yet-untapped depths of clusterfuckery awaiting, though. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4794 "2017-05-16T23:31:50Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Except McMaster never made that proclamation. [“I was in the room. It did not happen,” McMaster said in a brief statement.](http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-white-house-denies-trump-shared-1494888760-htmlstory.html) You are either an inveterate troll or a terminally ignorant cunt, and either way we’d all be improved to see less of you. “I do desire we might be better strangers." Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4795 "2017-05-16T23:34:30Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > There are as-yet-untapped depths of clusterfuckery awaiting, though. How deep is the ocean? How quiet the heavens? How empty the void? But no, we should “Give him a chance.” A chance to show us that no matter how poorly he has done until now, how much worse it could be, and then still. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4796 "2017-05-16T23:35:34Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > [“I was in the room. It did not happen,” McMaster said in a brief statement.](http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-white-house-denies-trump-shared-1494888760-htmlstory.html) That’s just stupidity. What was the “it”? AFAIU, McMaster said that the “it” was the inappropriate sharing of classified information. He repeated that a couple dozen times today, if you missed it. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4797 "2017-05-16T23:40:26Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > That’s just stupidity. > > What was the “it”? AFAIU, McMaster said that the “it” was the inappropriate sharing of classified information. He repeated that a couple dozen times today, if you missed it. If only my local fishing hole was full of animals that swallowed it hook, line, and sinker like **Okrahoma** … ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4798 "2017-05-16T23:41:16Z")
Handicap Accomodation: > [@](#): > > [NATO Frantically Tries to Trump-Proof President’s First Visit](https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/15/nato-frantically-tries-to-trump-proof-presidents-first-visit-alliance-europe-brussels/) > > NATO is scrambling to tailor its upcoming meeting to avoid taxing President Donald Trump’s notoriously short attention span. The alliance is telling heads of state to limit talks to two to four minutes at a time during the discussion, several sources inside NATO and former senior U.S. officials tell _Foreign Policy_… ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4799 "2017-05-16T23:50:51Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > You know the intelligence source Trump compromised is likely both Muslim and from one of the countries on Trump’s latest bạn list. Trump simply does not care what the consequences of his actions or words are so long as he and his supporters can call him a success. Blabbing to Russia was just a way for Trump to show someone he respects (another dictatorial ruler) how much Trump knows, and to hell with what happens to real people, real people who, after all, don’t count as such in Trump’s view. > > A word to Okrahoma: Those of us who have actually worked with classified information, know that your appraisal of its handling is far off the mark. Exactly. I was in the Army Security Agency (ASA). We took this very seriously. We were also made well aware that if we messed up we would face charges and go to Leavenworth prison for a LONG time. I was a repairman, and didn’t’ normally handle classified data except for burn detail (under armed guard), but I still took the security training. What Trump did would have been called espionage and treason if we did it. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/4800 "2017-05-16T23:50:55Z")
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