# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 270
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5381 "2017-05-22T22:57:01Z")
Trump, acting exactly like Nixon, pressured other intelligence agencies to push back on the FBI. > **[Trump asked intelligence chiefs to push back against FBI collusion probe...](https://t.co/Ya7zd1Df4E)** > > The director of national intelligence and the NSA director refused because they believed the requests were inappropriate. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5382 "2017-05-22T22:57:03Z")
This is the most cringing, embarrassing, stupendously bizarre person I’ve even known in politics - this stuff in Isreal about brokering peace when he has no ideas, no strategy, no experience, no clue whatsoever … it’s just a guy standing in front of a microphone talking utter shit and totally convinced the world believes in his abilities. Trump is delusioned in the same way Idi Amin was, or Robert Mugabe is now. He thinks people clap because he’s the deal maker, the guy who gets things done. It’s utterly mad. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5383 "2017-05-22T23:13:01Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Trump, acting exactly like Nixon, pressured other intelligence agencies to push back on the FBI. > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-asked-intelligence-chiefs-to-push-back-against-fbi-collusion-probe-after-comey-revealed-its-existence/2017/05/22/394933bc-3f10-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a\_story.html?utm\_term=.35033d0246d0](https://t.co/Ya7zd1Df4E) This is potentially huge because if there’s one contemporaneous memo from these two sources, as the WaPo source claims, then this would be contemporaneous memos from two different sources in two different agencies saying almost essentially the same thing. And if two of these agencies produced contemporaneous memos, then that’s even more damning. Assuming congressional and independent investigators are doing their due diligence, then if these memos do end up all seeing the light of day, we’re almost incontrovertibly getting into obstruction of justice territory here, and it would lead directly to the President himself. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5384 "2017-05-22T23:16:50Z")
Trump already bragged on national TV that he was committing obstruction of justice! During the campaign he also requested a a nation commit espionage against the US, so what do I know about what’s appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5385 "2017-05-22T23:27:07Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Official White House document promises “lasting _ **peach** _” in the Middle East. > [White House document promotes "lasting peach" in Middle East.](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/05/22/white_house_document_promotes_lasting_peach_in_middle_east.html) > [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Wow! I never imagined that Trump’s efforts to bring peace to the Middle East would bear fruit. _applause!_ ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5386 "2017-05-22T23:30:56Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Trump already bragged on national TV that he was committing obstruction of justice! During the campaign he also requested a a nation commit espionage against the US, so what do I know about what’s appropriate. The crazy thing about this whole Russia shit is that I’m not entirely convinced that Trump himself is directly connected to it. It’s obvious that others around him absolutely are and I’m sure he found out about it after the fact, but his campaign aides probably saw it as their patriotic duty to keep him in the dark while doing his dirty work, a la CREEP, a la Ollie North. ---
**Author:** ![ganthet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@ganthet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ganthet)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5387 "2017-05-22T23:40:49Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > During the campaign he also requested a a nation commit espionage against the US, so what do I know about what’s appropriate. Sometimes, we should not take Trump seriously or literally. Sometimes, we should take Trump seriously, but not literally. Sometimes, we should take Trump literally, but not seriously. This is exactly one of those sometimes. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5388 "2017-05-22T23:42:41Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > I always thought “exhaustion” was code for rehab. Wonder if he’s having trouble getting his amphetamine fix now that he’s president. Was he sniffing all the way through the speech, like in the debates? Not speed. Coke. Oh, and, two days into his first trip, he’s “exhausted”. Tell us more about Hillary’s stamina. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5389 "2017-05-22T23:58:44Z")
> [@ganthet](#): > > Sometimes, we should not take Trump seriously or literally. Sometimes, we should take Trump seriously, but not literally. Sometimes, we should take Trump literally, but not seriously. > > This is exactly one of those sometimes. Fantastic post. A keeper – seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5390 "2017-05-23T00:23:09Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Was he sniffing all the way through the speech, like in the debates? > > Not speed. Coke. > > Oh, and, two days into his first trip, he’s “exhausted”. Tell us more about Hillary’s stamina. :rolleyes: Could just be the time zones messing with his circadian rhythms. The man is 70 after all and pretty out of shape, golfing notwithstanding. Come to think of it, Trump may not need to be impeached after all. Me might just die of a heart attack after all that KFC and pizza. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5391 "2017-05-23T00:53:44Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Could just be the time zones messing with his **circadian** rhythms. The man is 70 after all and pretty out of shape, golfing notwithstanding. Come to think of it, Trump may not need to be impeached after all. Me might just die of a heart attack after all that KFC and pizza. Bold added. Okay, I get it. Trump is tired because he has just awakened from a 17-year period of hibernation? Makes sense. You said [cicadian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada#/media/File:Tibicen_linnei.jpg) rhythm, right? I recognize the beady eyes. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5392 "2017-05-23T00:56:26Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Okay, I get it. Trump is tired because he has just awakened from a 17-year period of hibernation? Makes sense. You said [cicadian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada#/media/File:Tibicen_linnei.jpg) rhythm, right? I recognize the beady eyes. And the very loud, annoying noise he makes. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5393 "2017-05-23T00:59:32Z")
And his ill-fitted exoskeleton. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5394 "2017-05-23T01:37:35Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Bold added. > > Okay, I get it. Trump is tired because he has just awakened from a 17-year period of hibernation? Makes sense. You said [cicadian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada#/media/File:Tibicen_linnei.jpg) rhythm, right? I recognize the beady eyes. Yes, of course! Silly me. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5395 "2017-05-23T01:43:19Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Um…who cares? Of course, Ronnie doesn’t deserve “full credit.” Irrelevant comment. I was making a point about Trump. Try to keep up. I didn’t mean any criticism of you. Just using your phrase to make an anti-Ronnie comment, re: right-wingers in the U.S. think the Berlin Wall came down because he yelled at it, but folks in Yurrip know it ain’t necessarily so. Think of it as an aside. I keep up JUST FINE, missy! Golly, this thread is moving fast. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5396 "2017-05-23T01:43:31Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Well, according to the Trump apologists, nobody ever told him it came from Israel, so of course he never said that’s where it came from. I’m hoping that it didn’t come from Israel, but that they’ve agreed to accept the attribution to help muddy things. It’s not like Trump would know otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5397 "2017-05-23T02:00:34Z")
Saudis are pressuring the administration that they just gave billions of dollars to, to oppose a bill to allows 9/11 victims’ families to sue Saudi Arabia. > **[Saudis gave the U.S. $360b in deals. Now they want Trump to rescind 9/11...](https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article152029102.html)** > > President Donald Trump struck a series of deals with Saudi Arabia on his two-day visit but the kingdom is still anxiously waiting for him to deliver on something else: the repeal of a contentious 2016 law that allows relatives of 9/11 victims to sue... ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5398 "2017-05-23T02:49:12Z")
Turkey called in the US ambassador to complain about how their poor, misunderstood bodyguards were mistreated by US policemen as the bodyguards beat protesters in Washington DC the other. > **[Turkey says U.S. was 'aggressive' toward bodyguards briefly detained in...](https://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-turkey-us-bodyguards-20170522-story.html)** > > Turkey summoned the U.S. ambassador Monday to object to how U.S. security personnel responded to a brawl between Turkish staff and protesters in Washington last week. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5399 "2017-05-23T03:15:01Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Turkey called in the US ambassador to complain about how their poor, misunderstood bodyguards were mistreated by US policemen as the bodyguards beat protesters in Washington DC the other. > [Turkey says U.S. was 'aggressive' toward bodyguards briefly detained in protesters' beating](http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-turkey-us-bodyguards-20170522-story.html) Man, that takes balls! Big glowing glass Saudi balls adorned with tiny Trump handprints ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5400 "2017-05-23T03:24:19Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Was he sniffing all the way through the speech, like in the debates? > > Not speed. Coke. > > Oh, and, two days into his first trip, he’s “exhausted”. Tell us more about Hillary’s stamina. :rolleyes: I’m not going to make too much of this, but he has looked rather ill in the TV coverage I’ve seen over the past 48 hours, and his speech hasn’t had that trademark braying tone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=269) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=271)