# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 271
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5401 "2017-05-23T04:03:25Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I’m not going to make too much of this, but he has looked rather ill in the TV coverage I’ve seen over the past 48 hours, and his speech hasn’t had that trademark braying tone. I haven’t noticed him sniffing like he usually does, either. Can’t someone smuggle coke into the Middle East?! It’s an emergency! Why he’s not even tweeting unless he’s coked out of his hair! ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5402 "2017-05-23T04:22:43Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Saudis are pressuring the administration that they just gave billions of dollars to, to oppose a bill to allows 9/11 victims’ families to sue Saudi Arabia. > > [http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article152029102.html](http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article152029102.html) This, I’m ok with, because nothing good can come of the precedent of suing a foreign government in your own courts. I’m pretty sure this exact same thing was discussed last year, with McConnell famously blaming Obama (SURPRISE!) for not stopping them - from overriding his veto. > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Turkey called in the US ambassador to complain about how their poor, misunderstood bodyguards were mistreated by US policemen as the bodyguards beat protesters in Washington DC the other. > [Turkey says U.S. was 'aggressive' toward bodyguards briefly detained in protesters' beating](http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-turkey-us-bodyguards-20170522-story.html) This, I’m not ok with. You don’t get to assault innocent protestors on US soil, then turn around and complain that two of your bodyguards were arrested for it. If our administration had any balls, they’d call them on this shit. Too bad there’s been nothing but crickets from Mr. [del]America[/del] Russia First. Or is it Turkey First? It’s hard to keep track, nowadays. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5403 "2017-05-23T04:47:49Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I’m not going to make too much of this, but he has looked rather ill in the TV coverage I’ve seen over the past 48 hours, and his speech hasn’t had that trademark braying tone. Are we 100% positive it’s Trump and not Alec Baldwin? Maybe _that’s_ why Melania didn’t want to hold hands with him. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5404 "2017-05-23T05:06:36Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I’m not going to make too much of this, but he has looked rather ill in the TV coverage I’ve seen over the past 48 hours, and his speech hasn’t had that trademark braying tone. He must have had to sacrifice a great deal of his life force to activate the Orb. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5405 "2017-05-23T05:20:58Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > This, I’m ok with, because nothing good can come of the precedent of suing a foreign government in your own courts. Too late, the precedent has already been set. Families successfully sued Libya over the Lockerbie bombing. [https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1022624328897385720](https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1022624328897385720) So no, there is no good reason to block victims from suing Saudi Arabia, except the fact that Saudi Arabia is an “ally” (I use that word with as much sarcasm as I can convey in text). ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5406 "2017-05-23T10:36:57Z")
People should be able to sue whoever or whatever they want. Doesn’t mean they should get anything. But if we can’t sue entities we believe have wronged us, then how can we say we’re really free? \ ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5407 "2017-05-23T13:09:07Z")
I just heard him speaking about the Manchester atrocity. He said he wouldn’t call the perpetrators monsters, because they would like that. He repeatedly called them losers and said that is the term he would continue to use. Losers are worse than monsters. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5408 "2017-05-23T13:20:58Z")
Such a vocabulary on this guy. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5409 "2017-05-23T13:37:23Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Such a vocabulary on this guy. True, but what is worse to me is that he seems to think it’s really important that he \*hurt their feelings. - That’ll show 'em. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5410 "2017-05-23T13:37:25Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > I just heard him speaking about the Manchester atrocity. He said he wouldn’t call the perpetrators monsters, because they would like that. He repeatedly called them losers and said that is the term he would continue to use. Losers are worse than monsters. Hate to say I kind of agree with this. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5411 "2017-05-23T13:40:57Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > I’m not going to make too much of this, but he has looked rather ill in the TV coverage I’ve seen over the past 48 hours, and his speech hasn’t had that trademark braying tone. Trump has two oratorical styles: Rally Trump, where he’s winging it, spouting nonsense, leading chants, and braying. Presidential Trump, where he’s reading off a teleprompter like someone reading an eye chart. He’s been 100% the latter on this trip; I’m hoping and praying that Rally Trump is unleashed, because that’s when the fun starts. (short of nuclear war, of course.) ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5412 "2017-05-23T13:41:45Z")
I call 'em “dorkuses.” That’s like an infinity worse than “losers.” ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5413 "2017-05-23T13:48:26Z")
Trump credits the Western Wall for Israel’s lack of Mexicans. [https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170523/5272a31a2ed4db36a6c719dd2f8775c7.jpg](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170523/5272a31a2ed4db36a6c719dd2f8775c7.jpg) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5414 "2017-05-23T13:57:38Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > True, but what is worse to me is that he seems to think it’s really important that he \*hurt their feelings. > > - That’ll show 'em. They’d really hate the term “Pig fuckers.” Why doesn’t he just call them “Pig fuckers,” take a nice healthy swig of Brawndo and fire a fucking machine gun into the air. That’d really, \*really \*show 'em! ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5415 "2017-05-23T14:02:03Z")
[aside] I’ve said over and over here that the worst thing that you can call Trump (and that he can call anyone) is a **loser**. In my mind, that’s nowhere near as bad as being a monster, but then I don’t look at life/the world/existence as a game that you win or lose. Trump does. That is the key to understanding him: everything is a game and there are winners and losers. How do you tell them apart? Winners are standing at the end and losers are dead, lying down, defeated, locked up, diminished. That was the basis of his insult of McCain–McCain wasn’t a winner because he was captured. The Khan family’s son was dead and thus a loser. Heroism, sacrifice, altruism, choosing to be last so others can be first–completely alien concepts to him. [/aside] ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5416 "2017-05-23T14:26:34Z")
In the grand scheme, calling the perpetrators monsters does do them a favor. It makes them big and frightening, which is what they want. Calling them losers diminishes them. It makes them smaller and less intimidating. Are losers worse than monsters? Not by a long shot. Is calling someone who is chasing notoriety a loser worse than calling him a monster? From his point of view, yes. Trump kind of stumbled into the doing the right thing here. Now I need to take a shower. ---
**Author:** ![ZPG\_Zealot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47c2d/32.png) [@ZPG\_Zealot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZPG_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5417 "2017-05-23T14:39:41Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > Hate to say I kind of agree with this. A stopped clock is right twice a door. Out of the multitude of garbage that spews out of Trump’s mouth, occasionally something not stupid will come forth. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5418 "2017-05-23T14:51:33Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > I just heard him speaking about the Manchester atrocity. He said he wouldn’t call the perpetrators monsters, because they would like that. He repeatedly called them losers and said that is the term he would continue to use. Losers are worse than monsters. So where do ‘nut jobs’ fit in this new paradigm. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5419 "2017-05-23T14:52:59Z")
> [@ZPG\_Zealot](#): > > A stopped clock is right twice a door. Out of the multitude of garbage that spews out of Trump’s mouth, occasionally something not stupid will come forth. QFT. Loser Donald is telling us that this is the thing that he fears most. Losing. Being called a loser. That’s what I’m going to start calling him. Loser Donald the failure President. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5420 "2017-05-23T14:53:38Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > So where do ‘nut jobs’ fit in this new paradigm. “Nut Jobs” are Liberals and anyone else who attempts to involve reality in the Trump administration. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=270) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=272)