# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 274
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5461 "2017-05-23T23:05:53Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > What _would_ bother them is a concerted effort by the spiritual and political leaders of every majority-Muslim nation, as well as Muslim clerics in other nations, to call them “infidels” (in whatever language appropriate to the locale). If this were done consistently and universally, it would bother them very much. They do. Regularly. Doesn’t bother them in the slightest. Da’esh theology defines any Muslims that do not recognize their legitimacy as kafir. What does drive them crazy is referring to them as Da’esh (al-Dawla al-Islamiya al-Iraq al-Sham – Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant), which apparently sounds similar to “one who sows discord” or “to trample underfoot”. Leaders in Mosul threatened to cut the tongue out of anyone who referred to them by that acronym. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5462 "2017-05-23T23:17:48Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Good. I’d rather not cut hundreds of billions from healthcare for poor people. **If they die** , who mows my lawn? > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Hell, who does the cleaning, gardening, and maintenance at Trump Tower and Mar-a-Lago? > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Illegal immigrants, just like now. Bold added. The question was, “What if they die?” i.e., when their Medicaid benefits are cut under Der Trump’s proposed budget. Presumably they don’t get great health insurance working for the Trump Empire and likely rely on Medicaid. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5463 "2017-05-23T23:58:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Can we be done with the fun? I’m tired of all this funning. I want a president who can speak in full sentences and show basic courtesy to visitors like a big boy or girl. for that we will need one without dementia. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5464 "2017-05-24T00:54:50Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Bold added. > The question was, “What if they die?” … Hey, we can always import replacements. Ones who have zero English, so they will be easier to control. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5465 "2017-05-24T01:48:05Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Hey, we can always import replacements. Ones who have zero English, so they will be easier to control. “Sail away…sail away…we will cross the mighty ocean into Charleston Bay…” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5466 "2017-05-24T02:22:02Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Hey, we can always import replacements. Ones who have zero English, so they will be easier to control. > [@](#): > > …“My taxes support the institutions I mentioned _[prisons and work houses]_ and they cost enough! Those who are badly off must go there!” The lady was not at all sure as how to react to this outburst but found her voice and responded with indignation. “Many can’t go there, and many would rather die!” > > Her reply seemed to satisfy Scrooge. “Well then,” he said coldly, “they’d better do it and decrease the surplus population.” She refused to give up on what was becoming to her a matter of principle. “But surely you understand the suffering of the poor?” > > “It’s enough for a man to understand his own business, let alone that of others. Mine occupies me…constantly. Good day!” With that he turned his back to them… Donald Trump? Mitch McConnell? Paul Ryan? Mick Mulvaney? No. Ebeneezer Scrooge in Dickens’ _A Christmas Carol_. Business. That’s what matters. The plight of the poor is of no concern to a man of “business,” not even if he is a public servant. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5467 "2017-05-24T02:28:34Z")
In April, Trump had a phone call with murderous Philippine strongman Rodrigo Duterte. A transcript of the call has been obtained by The Intercept (I’m not familiar with this source, but they were quoted by Pro Publica). In the call, Trump praised Duterte’s handling of the drug problem in the Philippines, saying, in part: [Quote=il Douche] I just wanted to congratulate you because I am hearing of the unbelievable job on the drug problem. Many countries have the problem, we have a problem, but what a great job you are doing and I just wanted to call and tell you that [/quote] Duterte’s drug war is marked by the wholesale slaughter of drug dealers and users. Police have killed an estimated 7000 people in the year since Duterte took power, and Duterte has encouraged vigilantism against drug dealers and users. When he wants to brag, Duterte compares himself to Hitler. > **[Trump Called Duterte to Congratulate Him on His Murderous Drug War: “You Are...](https://theintercept.com/2017/05/23/trump-called-rodrigo-duterte-to-congratulate-him-on-his-murderous-drug-war-you-are-doing-an-amazing-job/)** > > “I just wanted to congratulate you because I am hearing of the unbelievable job on the drug problem,” Trump said, according to an official transcript. To be fair, the Obama administration did give the Philippine military weapons, and while the admin didn’t give weapons directly to the National Police (who are behind many extrajudicial executions), it did allow US weapons manufacturers to sell to them. Also, small arms are pretty fungible, so giving them to the military but not the National Police doesn’t absolve us of complicity. While Obama offered tepid criticism of Duterte in public, Obama too deserves criticism for his tangible support of Duterte. But, Obama’s not the President anymore and Trump is, god forgive us all. And this thread is about Trump. So ::clears throat:: FUCK YOU, DONALD TRUMP, FOR PRAISING A MURDEROUS DICTATOR, YOU BAG OF SHIT! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5468 "2017-05-24T02:42:24Z")
Trump has lawyered up. [http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Trump-retains-outside-lawyer-to-help-with-Russia-11168671.php](http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Trump-retains-outside-lawyer-to-help-with-Russia-11168671.php) ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5469 "2017-05-24T03:36:01Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump has lawyered up. > [http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Trump-retains-outside-lawyer-to-help-with-Russia-11168671.php](http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Trump-retains-outside-lawyer-to-help-with-Russia-11168671.php) It might have been entertaining if he’d handed the reins to Michael Cohen (“Investigators have found evidence of numerous ties to the Russians–” “Which investigators?” “Uhm, all of them?”). :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5470 "2017-05-24T03:43:33Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Duterte’s drug war is marked by the wholesale slaughter of drug dealers and users. Police have killed an estimated 7000 people in the year since Duterte took power, and Duterte has encouraged vigilantism against drug dealers and users. You mean those accused of being drug dealers and users. Evidence and proof are for losers. Just look at Trump’s methodology. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5471 "2017-05-24T03:56:09Z")
The Party of Personal Responsibility strikes again. [Giuliani disavows any knowledge of his own actions.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/rudy-giuliani-now-says-had-230813451.html) > [@](#): > > Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor and campaign surrogate for President Donald Trump, told a federal judge on Monday that he played no role in Trump’s executive order banning Muslim travelers, apparently contradicting his prior statements. > > A day after Trump issued the first version of the ban, Giuliani said on Fox News that the president had asked him to put a commission together and look for ways to make the executive order legal. > > But in an affidavit Giuliani filed Monday in federal court in Manhattan, the Trump confidante disavowed involvement in shaping the executive order, which has been watered down to address legal deficiencies and remains blocked by a pair of court rulings. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5472 "2017-05-24T04:13:03Z")
I will say, the saddest thing about all this is that Donald Trump is now a person of some historical significance. Which sucks. ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5473 "2017-05-24T04:14:52Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > What makes you think SHE’LL be the one filing? > > She’s already too old for trump. I’m surprised he hasn’t already traded up. Or, at lest, have a new one on standby status. I think it was Jimmy Kimmel who said that Trump would start dating his popularity rating once it hit the 20’s. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5474 "2017-05-24T04:19:15Z")
[https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-not-so-innocent-abroad-trump-bumbles-across-the-middle-east/2017/05/23/0d785700-3ff5-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-not-so-innocent-abroad-trump-bumbles-across-the-middle-east/2017/05/23/0d785700-3ff5-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html) > [@](#): > > President Trump arrived in Jerusalem this week with a most curious bit of information for Israeli President Reuven Rivlin. > > “We just got back from the Middle East,” Trump announced. “We just got back from Saudi Arabia.” > > At this, the Israeli ambassador to Washington, Ron Dermer, put his forehead in his palm. > > Did Trump not know Israel is in the Middle East? Did he not know he was in Israel? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5475 "2017-05-24T04:20:43Z")
The Middle East is where all those Ayrabs live, right? That excludes God’s Own Land. 😉 (Do people in the ME call it “the ME”?) ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5476 "2017-05-24T04:23:57Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > I’m surprised he’s not having people looking into repealing laws concerning incest. Oooh, snap! She is already living there, when you think about it. How many adult kids prefer to live with their parents? AND WHY IN THE WORLD IS TIFFANY ALWAYS GETTING LEFT OUT? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5477 "2017-05-24T04:26:03Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > [https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-not-so-innocent-abroad-trump-bumbles-across-the-middle-east/2017/05/23/0d785700-3ff5-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-not-so-innocent-abroad-trump-bumbles-across-the-middle-east/2017/05/23/0d785700-3ff5-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html) Why did he feel he had to announce where he just came from? Does he think no one knows where he was? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5478 "2017-05-24T04:27:16Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Oooh, snap! She is already living there, when you think about it. How many adult kids prefer to live with their parents? **AND WHY IN THE WORLD IS TIFFANY ALWAYS GETTING LEFT OUT?** God heard her prayers. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5479 "2017-05-24T04:56:58Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The Party of Personal Responsibility strikes again. > [Giuliani disavows any knowledge of his own actions.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/rudy-giuliani-now-says-had-230813451.html) To be fair, Rudy Giuliani doesn’t know [which way is up.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3S2nciZQWFEi) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5480 "2017-05-24T04:58:59Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > The Middle East is where all those Ayrabs live, right? That excludes God’s Own Land. 😉 > > (Do people in the ME call it “the ME”?) What do Chinese people call Chinese food? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=273) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=275)