# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 282
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5621 "2017-05-26T04:49:45Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I don’t think he was a Twitter user. I made the same claim, possibly in this thread, and was corrected. > [@PatriotX](#): > > Ain’t this an old debunked CT? > > The twitter part I mean > [@pulykamell](#): > > From what I can tell using the Wayback Machine at [archive.org](http://archive.org), his twitter feed has been empty as of late last year. So it’s unlikely he deleted everything just now. That said, I can find tweets from 2011, but that’s it. There’s a snapshot of the page in 2014, which only has the 2011 tweets, and then the next snapshot and series of them starting in October 2016 show “jaredkushner hasn’t tweeted yet.” > [@pulykamell](#): > > Ah, I thought it sounded familiar. I somehow forgot it was Kushner in the case I was thinking of before.[Here’s the story](http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/no-jared-kushner-did-not-scrub-his-twitter-account/article/2618600). And this folks is how libruls/democrats/normal intelligent people respond when shown that their news-story might lack some degree of veracity. Instead of doubling down, screaming FAKE NEWS, they acknowledge that their news-breaking post was wrong, and move on. Some on this board might like to take notes of how it’s done. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5622 "2017-05-26T04:50:39Z")
Ok, the [source here](http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/trump-would-sell-off-americas-energy-resources-for-a-pittance-just-like-russia-did-to-create-its-oligarchs/) is alternet via raw story, so consider the bias and take it with as much skepticism as you feel is warranted, > [@](#): > > … Trump … sees untapped equity in trillions of dollars in government-held energy and mineral resources as a way to pay down the federal debt and an opportunity to enrich private-sector friends—including America’s biggest corporations. > > While there’s been a chorus of “No way” from Republicans over some areas of Trump’s budget, look at what he’s proposed. (This comes after executive orders opening up oil and gas drilling, including in the Arctic Ocean.) Trump’s budget says $36 billion could be raised over the next decade by selling off resources (such as half the Strategic Petroleum Reserve) and infrastructure (power transmission lines across nearly 20 Western states), opening public lands for drilling and mining and rescinding oil and gas revenues given to four Gulf of Mexico states. (That’s where Republicans balk.) Ok, the national debt is around $15T, right? So, yeah, we should raise $36B to help pay it down? :dubious: Oh, wait, the line before that helps make more sense of it > [@](#): > > Russian oligarchs, including investors in Trump buildings, grew super-rich after acquiring the former Soviet Union’s assets, especially its energy and mineral resources, similarly on the cheap. They privatized what were once public assets to make their fortunes. America is for sale. And it might not even end up being sold to Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5623 "2017-05-26T18:48:37Z")
Melania’s jacket that she wore at the NATO leaders meeting is a Dolce & Gabbana that costs $51,500. > **[Melania Trump wore a coat that costs more than most Americans earn in a year](https://www.businessinsider.com/melania-trump-dolce-and-gabbana-floral-coat-2017-5?r=US&IR=T)** > > Melania Trump wore a $51,500 Dolce & Gabbana jacket for a meeting of first spouses at the annual G-7 summit. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5624 "2017-05-26T18:55:15Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Melania’s jacket that she wore at the NATO leaders meeting is a Dolce & Gabbana that costs $51,500. > [http://uk.businessinsider.com/melania-trump-dolce-and-gabbana-floral-coat-2017-5?r=US&IR=T](http://uk.businessinsider.com/melania-trump-dolce-and-gabbana-floral-coat-2017-5?r=US&IR=T) For some reason, this doesn’t bother me. If I had a billion dollars or more, I am certain my wife would own some $50,000 garments. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5625 "2017-05-26T19:06:54Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > For some reason, this doesn’t bother me. If I had a billion dollars or more, I am certain my wife would own some $50,000 garments. So… you know Trump has a billion dollars? You must’ve seen his tax returns! And it never occurred to you to mention that to the American people? I bet the Times or the Post would buy you a Dulce Banana jacket if you clued them in… ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5626 "2017-05-26T19:07:10Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > For some reason, this doesn’t bother me. If I had a billion dollars or more, I am certain my wife would own some $50,000 garments. Same. Considering Presidents and their families still pay for things like clothing and such, I can’t come up with any outrage. You might be able to make a case for being tonedeaf or some such, but she was a model - this is the kind of thing they wear. The travesty is that something so ugly costs 50 grand. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5627 "2017-05-26T19:23:45Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Melania’s jacket that she wore at the NATO leaders meeting is a Dolce & Gabbana that costs $51,500. > [http://uk.businessinsider.com/melania-trump-dolce-and-gabbana-floral-coat-2017-5?r=US&IR=T](http://uk.businessinsider.com/melania-trump-dolce-and-gabbana-floral-coat-2017-5?r=US&IR=T) So what ? Whatever else he may be, Trump is (allegedly) rich as fuck. Unless this was paid for on public dime, I don’t see the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5628 "2017-05-26T19:26:57Z")
If nothing else, Trump will definitely clarify the whole Area 51 thing. If the American government has indeed been hiding extraterrestrials, there’s no way he can avoid blabbing about it, especially the closer he gets to impeachment. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5629 "2017-05-26T19:28:43Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > If nothing else, Trump will definitely clarify the whole Area 51 thing. If the American government has indeed been hiding extraterrestrials, there’s no way he can avoid blabbing about it, especially the closer he gets to impeachment. Putin already knows. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5630 "2017-05-26T19:35:04Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > If nothing else, Trump will definitely clarify the whole Area 51 thing. If the American government has indeed been hiding extraterrestrials, there’s no way he can avoid blabbing about it, especially the closer he gets to impeachment. That’d make the new X-Files seasons pretty boring though. “I’m telling you Scully, this time…” “Oh yes. I believe you . Trump’s just sent 10 Gigs of files about it to Wikileaks” “… they want to shut us down, Scully !” “You sure ? I just got a mail from @realDonaldTrump that says “Keep up the good work ! Don’t leak ! You’re just great !” and there’s seventeen alien autopsies attached to it. Oh, and the cure for my cancer apparently. I’d totally forgotten I’d had that !” ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5631 "2017-05-26T19:46:36Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > So what ? Whatever else he may be, Trump is (allegedly) rich as fuck. Unless this was paid for on public dime, I don’t see the issue. When the wife of the President of the United States is buying items of clothing that cost one year’s income of an average citizen, especially when he ran as the defender of the little guy … ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5632 "2017-05-26T19:53:17Z")
German news magazine Der Spiegel just came out with an editorial harshly critical of Trump and calling for his removal from office. > **[German news magazine rips Trump, calling him 'unfit' and 'a danger to the world'](https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/26/1666273/-German-newspaper-rips-Trump-calling-him-unfit-and-a-danger-to-the-world)** > > Campaign Action > > Germany’s Der Spiegel newspaper is pulling no punches after covering Donald Trump’s disastrous trip to Europe. In a brutal op-ed, they lay out the case that Donald Trump is simply "unfit to be President of the United... ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5633 "2017-05-26T19:55:31Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > German news magazine Der Spiegel just came out with an editorial harshly critical of Trump and calling for his removal from office. > [Daily Kos](http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/5/26/1666273/-German-newspaper-rips-Trump-calling-him-unfit-and-a-danger-to-the-world) They have correctly assessed the situation: > [@](#): > > ``` > Donald Trump is not fit to be president of the United States. He does not possess the requisite intellect and does not understand the significance of the office he holds nor the tasks associated with it. He doesn't read. He doesn't bother to peruse important files and intelligence reports and knows little about the issues that he has identified as his priorities. His decisions are capricious and they are delivered in the form of tyrannical decrees. > > He is a man free of morals. As has been demonstrated hundreds of times, he is a liar, a racist and a cheat. I feel ashamed to use these words, as sharp and loud as they are. But if they apply to anyone, they apply to Trump. And one of the media's tasks is to continue telling things as they are: Trump has to be removed from the White House. Quickly. He is a danger to the world. > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5634 "2017-05-26T19:58:19Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > When the wife of the President of the United States is buying items of clothing that cost one year’s income of an average citizen, especially when he ran as the defender of the little guy … Nobody believed that. They knew he was going to screw the little guy to give the millionaires tax breaks. They just assume they are going to be millionaires any day now… ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5635 "2017-05-26T20:04:17Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > For some reason, this doesn’t bother me. If I had a billion dollars or more, I am certain my wife would own some $50,000 garments. The price tag doesn’t bother me. The aesthetics of the coat bother me. But more importantly, Melania’s tastes in outerwear have nothing to do with the administration. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5636 "2017-05-26T20:04:24Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Nobody believed that. They knew he was going to screw the little guy to give the millionaires tax breaks. They just assume they are going to be millionaires any day now… Unfortunately, lots of people believed that Trump was fighting for the little guy. We didn’t believe that, but there are lots of his supporters who never though that Trump would ever screw them. He was going to blow up the establishment. Be a force for change. Winning! All the winning! So much winning. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5637 "2017-05-26T20:05:37Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > When the wife of the President of the United States is buying items of clothing that cost one year’s income of an average citizen, especially when he ran as the defender of the little guy … Not to nitpick, but a year’s income of an average citizen is [$29,930.13.](https://www.ssa.gov/cgi-bin/netcomp.cgi?year=2015) He outfit is closer to two years, more if you include the taxes that they had to pay on their incomes. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5638 "2017-05-26T20:22:14Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Nobody believed that. They knew he was going to screw the little guy to give the millionaires tax breaks. They just assume they are going to be millionaires any day now… Who was it that said the reason Americans vote against their own self-interest is because “there are no poor people in America, just temporarily-embarrassed millionaires”? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5639 "2017-05-26T20:23:37Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > The price tag doesn’t bother me. The aesthetics of the coat bother me. But more importantly, Melania’s tastes in outerwear have nothing to do with the administration. Although it seemed to bother people of the right who objected to Michelle showing her arms. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5640 "2017-05-26T20:52:08Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > Nobody believed that. They knew he was going to screw the little guy to give the millionaires tax breaks. They just assume they are going to be millionaires any day now… Actually, much like global warming, they just assumed he would only be screwing the \*other \*little guys. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=281) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=283)