# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 295
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5881 "2017-06-01T22:09:21Z")
Well this is timely. The $3.8 billion Dakota Access pipeline [began shipping oil for customers today](http://billingsgazette.com/business/billion-dakota-access-oil-pipeline-begins-service/article_469b69f2-119d-5ccc-bc3d-f2ddc0473f2a.html). ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5882 "2017-06-01T22:10:34Z")
The oil that hasn’t leaked, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5883 "2017-06-01T22:16:21Z")
> [@simster](#): > > … > this whole charade was orchestratd as an ego boost - Just like everything else. Sickening. Disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5884 "2017-06-01T23:27:54Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Don’t forget Rogue Nation status! Oh good, there’s room for further achievement. I guess that’s on the agenda for the second 100 days. ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5885 "2017-06-01T23:57:40Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > Judging by the time, he wanted to type coverage but started to drift off into sleep. We call that “passing out” when you’re not rich. ---
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5886 "2017-06-02T00:03:10Z")
Idiot Trump is putting America LAST. The ceremony, to celebrate shooting ourselves in the foot, was disgraceful. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5887 "2017-06-02T00:16:09Z")
But the Nielsens were through the roof! Must flee TV! ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5888 "2017-06-02T00:23:06Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > You’ve got a point. > > What would make DJT the MOST dangerous? Average intelligence, superior intelligence, or his current sub-normal intelligence? It’s his current sub-normal intelligence, running away. At least an average or superior mind in a president wouldn’t constantly make **stupid** decisions. Stupid decisions can have the worst backlash of all, being stupid and all. Say what you will about an intelligent Republican (if such a creature exists), at least they wouldn’t be doing stupid shit. Trump’s behavior is dictated by whims and reactions, not reason or contemplation. Stupid can be funny bu’t it can also be tragic. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5889 "2017-06-02T00:34:53Z")
The [irony is strong](http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/01/politics/trump-paris-climate-decision/index.html) in this one **President Camacho:** “_At what point does America get demeaned? At what point do they start laughing at us as a country? We want fair treatment. We don’t want other countries and other leaders to laugh at us anymore._” Then GTFOH, you fetid skank. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5890 "2017-06-02T00:50:30Z")
[https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170602/4b5ea3c1dbb30c884679cb61d7e7c7cc.jpg](https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170602/4b5ea3c1dbb30c884679cb61d7e7c7cc.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5891 "2017-06-02T01:16:51Z")
I never look at those, but I do so love that each one of those drives **Snowboarder Bo** crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5892 "2017-06-02T08:07:25Z")
> [@Randolph](#): > > I never look at those, but I do so love that each one of those drives **Snowboarder Bo** crazy. If that’s the case, let’s to to the qua-- ah, forget it. Quarry has been full since the GOP debates started. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5893 "2017-06-02T11:15:39Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The [irony is strong](http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/01/politics/trump-paris-climate-decision/index.html) in this one > **President Camacho:** > “_At what point does America get demeaned? At what point do they start laughing at us as a country? > We want fair treatment. > We don’t want other countries and other leaders to laugh at us anymore._” > > Then GTFOH, you fetid skank. What this indicates is a kind of thought and reality bubble. This is not just about taking the United States out of a major international agreement; this is about isolating ourselves from the rest of the world in an extreme manner, which is what autocratic-minded regimes want. The more isolated a society is, the more difficult it is to exchange ideas, including those that might inspire people to oppose the regime. It’s kinda like how a wife-beater chases away all of the wife’s friends and family, so he can really start beating the shit out of her on a regular basis. This is more than just about the environment; it’s another step away from democracy and toward the end of the American republic as we know it. I’m encouraged that Larry Blankfein and Elon Musk have finally publicly broken from Trump, but we need more leaders in society to do it, and they need to be a lot more outspoken about confronting him. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5894 "2017-06-02T12:40:57Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I know!! It is truly bizarre. One would have to assume that coal miners were a vital component of the winning coalition he put together–but I think the number of coal mining jobs in this country is incredibly small. There are probably more professional dog-walkers than there are coal miners. Somebody here linked a story that there are about 75 000 coal miners in the USA. There are same amount of jobs in bowling, and also in skiing ! There are 150 000 car washers, that’s double. And Wal-Mar with it’s 2.2 million jobs is about 28 times more. IIRC, it was yesterday after all. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5895 "2017-06-02T13:16:55Z")
Even if coal were to come back, it would not be the major employer that it was a hundred years ago. Mining is getting more and more mechanized. Instead of many men with many pickaxes, there is massive strip mining with relatively few employees. Underground mining is moving into remote control, requiring fewer people, and with the people at the controls above ground able to monitor several machines at the same time. [Mining has a great future (in Canada we can’t get enough skilled mining engineers/technicians/technologists and people in related and support fields)](https://laurentian.ca/goodmanschoolofmines/about/), but not coal mining, because a yuge, really yuge demand for coal does not exist and will not exist. To have a career in mining, a person typically must be willing and able to get educated (be it even at a minimal level, such as a driller’s helper just to get your foot in the door), and be willing and able to relocate. Workers must move to where the mines are. Mines do not move to where the workers are. Trump have deluded themselves. His and their ignorance to simple facts, and their belief in alternate facts, is astounding. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5896 "2017-06-02T14:07:43Z")
And coal’s got such a great future! I mean look at all this great new… > **[PSEG Closing Its 2 Final New Jersey Coal-Fired Power Plants](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-jersey/articles/2017-05-30/pseg-closing-its-2-final-new-jersey-coal-fired-power-plants)** > > The largest energy provider in New Jersey is set to close its final coal-fired power plants. Oh… ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5897 "2017-06-02T14:09:53Z")
Trump exited the Paris climate agreement because all of those European leaders urged him to stay in and he just had to show them who is boss. Damn, he really showed 'em! Showed them what an immature, ignorant jackass he really is. We already knew that but he likes to keep reminding us. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5898 "2017-06-02T14:39:21Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > …Workers must move to where the mines are. Mines do not move to where the workers are. > > … Trump’s working on that for the next 100 days. He’s got all the BEST people figuring it out! > [@wguy123](#): > > Trump exited the Paris climate agreement because all of those European leaders urged him to stay in and he just had to show them who is boss. Damn, he really showed 'em! Showed them what an immature, ignorant jackass he really is. We already knew that but he likes to keep reminding us. :smack: This is 100% correct. No one can tell him anything. He already knows it all. From Day One, we’ve seen that he doesn’t take advice from anyone on any topic. He is a legend in his own mind and sees himself as a really smart guy. He doesn’t read books, he doesn’t need briefings that go on and on for minutes at a time, and he doesn’t accept the fact that anyone else knows more on any topic than he does. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5899 "2017-06-02T14:48:11Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Trump’s working on that for the next 100 days. He’s got all the BEST people figuring it out! > > This is 100% correct. No one can tell him anything. He already knows it all. > > From Day One, we’ve seen that he doesn’t take advice from anyone on any topic. He is a legend in his own mind and sees himself as a really smart guy. He doesn’t read books, he doesn’t need briefings that go on and on for minutes at a time, and he doesn’t accept the fact that anyone else knows more on any topic than he does. I think there’s the Trump factor, but there’s also the Steve Bannon factor. Remember that Bannon’s kinda like the 2017 version of Donald Rumsfeld / Dick Cheney / Paul Wolfowitz all rolled up into one. Bannon believes that every treaty and every bureaucracy created after 1945 needs to be demolished. Replaced with what exactly? Can’t tell you that part, but let’s just wait and find out. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/5900 "2017-06-02T14:52:21Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Even if coal were to come back, it would not be the major employer that it was a hundred years ago. > > Mining is getting more and more mechanized. Instead of many men with many pickaxes, there is massive strip mining with relatively few employees. Underground mining is moving into remote control, requiring fewer people, and with the people at the controls above ground able to monitor several machines at the same time. [Mining has a great future (in Canada we can’t get enough skilled mining engineers/technicians/technologists and people in related and support fields)](https://laurentian.ca/goodmanschoolofmines/about/), but not coal mining, because a yuge, really yuge demand for coal does not exist and will not exist. > > To have a career in mining, a person typically must be willing and able to get educated (be it even at a minimal level, such as a driller’s helper just to get your foot in the door), and be willing and able to relocate. Workers must move to where the mines are. Mines do not move to where the workers are. > > Trump have deluded themselves. His and their ignorance to simple facts, and their belief in alternate facts, is astounding. > [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > And coal’s got such a great future! I mean look at all this great new… > > [https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-jersey/articles/2017-05-30/pseg-closing-its-2-final-new-jersey-coal-fired-power-plants](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/new-jersey/articles/2017-05-30/pseg-closing-its-2-final-new-jersey-coal-fired-power-plants) > > Oh… Not to mention having to resort now to blowing up [mountains](http://grist.org/article/2010-01-07-science-confirms-that-blowing-up-mountains-harms-mountains/). A few West Virginians might not be too pleased about that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=294) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=296)