# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 340
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6782 "2017-06-15T22:19:43Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > > [@Ozkra the Humbug](#): > > > > Pay no attention to the reporters behind that curtain. > > … [Moderating] **Skywatcher** , while there’s no rule against making fun of someone’s name in a quote tag, and there’s no rule about using a quote box that’s not attributed to an actual poster, you’ve managed to combine the two here in a way that makes it unclear if the words you attributed to “Ozkra” were actually said by **Okrahoma** or not. Please try to avoid this sort of ambiguity in the future. No warnings issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6783 "2017-06-15T22:27:21Z")
Well, it’s all good, as long as Trump is under personal investigation _now_. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6784 "2017-06-15T22:27:30Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > … But it is fun to watch you (plural) tie yourselves in logical pretzels to justify CNN and ABC lying. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > What, in your estimation, did ABC and CNN have to gain by making up a story about how Comey would testify, if they knew his testimony would contradict it? Are you able to answer VT’s question? Your claim appears to be that ABC and CNN decided to lie about what Comey would say, in the full knowledge that Comey was about to prove them to be liars. What’s their motivation supposed to be? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6785 "2017-06-15T22:31:34Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > **Skywatcher** , while there’s no rule against making fun of someone’s name in a quote tag, and there’s no rule about using a quote box that’s not attributed to an actual poster, you’ve managed to combine the two here in a way that makes it unclear if the words you attributed to “Ozkra” were actually said by **Okrahoma** or not. Please try to avoid this sort of ambiguity in the future. > > No warnings issued. > [/Moderating] Message received. Not really making fun of the handle, just wanted to make clear to what I was referring. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6786 "2017-06-15T22:34:03Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Are you able to answer VT’s question? Your claim appears to be that ABC and CNN decided to lie about what Comey would say, in the full knowledge that Comey was about to prove them to be liars. > > What’s their motivation supposed to be? He actually answered this! Just above. He says they were lying to make up clickbait to make enraged idiots like him click the article. Which I suppose isn’t completely unbelievable - right wing media sources do that sort of shit, right? Of course left wing media don’t have to make shit up like right wing media does; Trump has given them TONS of real things to write about that infuriate lots of people, and they can (and do) spam the airwaves with that. They don’t need to make things up. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6787 "2017-06-15T22:42:38Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > He actually answered this! Just above. He says they were lying to make up clickbait to make enraged idiots like him click the article. > Which I suppose isn’t completely unbelievable - right wing media sources do that sort of shit, right? They do, but the idea that either CNN or ABC would abandon their reputations in order to make a couple hundred dollars from Google AdWords is _truly_ nutty. > [@begbert2](#): > > Of course left wing media don’t have to make shit up like right wing media does; Trump has given them TONS of real things to write about that infuriate lots of people, and they can (and do) spam the airwaves with that. They don’t need to make things up. True enough. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6788 "2017-06-15T22:47:11Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > They do, but the idea that either CNN or ABC would abandon their reputations in order to make a couple hundred dollars from Google AdWords is _truly_ nutty. Did they? Did their reputation diminish in your eyes or the eyes of other TDS sufferers in this thread? I don’t think so. So of course they will continue lying. It works. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6789 "2017-06-15T22:52:23Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Did they? Did their reputation diminish in your eyes or the eyes of other TDS sufferers in this thread? I don’t think so. > > So of course they will continue lying. It works. Question for you. If Trump is impeached and removed from office, will you still be screaming about ‘Trump Derangement’? Or will you be blaming that for his downfall and completely ignoring all evidence as produced by the government? Are you getting paid in rubles to post here? Or are you just an idiot? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6790 "2017-06-15T22:56:26Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > He cut and ran on his planned visit to the Congressional baseball game which is still on tomorrow. It is worrisome that apparently his decision not to show up implies that security at the game will be less thorough: > [@](#): > > President Trump does not plan to attend Thursday night’s Congressional Baseball Game due to security challenges, the White House said. > White House press secretary Sean Spicer told reporters that the security measures necessary for Trump to make a last-minute appearance would be too burdensome. [http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/337833-trump-wont-attend-congressional-baseball-game-reports](http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/337833-trump-wont-attend-congressional-baseball-game-reports) A major incident at tonight’s game would be wildly, massively advantageous for Trump. It would virtually close down attention to the fact of his being under investigation. And when it comes to ‘crack-downs to keep America safe’ it could be burning-of-the-Reichstag-level useful to him. Please, please, please, let it be the case that security measures will be painstaking and meticulous, tonight, despite Trump’s declining to attend. (And, yes, of course, I hope this for the welfare of all who attend; it’s too easy to get lost in horror at the thought of what a Reichstag-burning-like event might mean for the continued existence of the rule of law.) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6791 "2017-06-15T23:00:40Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Did they? Did their reputation diminish in your eyes or the eyes of other TDS sufferers in this thread? I don’t think so. > So of course they will continue lying. It works. I can’t help wondering whether you really believe your arguments to be convincing. You couldn’t genuinely think that–could you? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6792 "2017-06-15T23:02:59Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Question for you. If Trump is impeached and removed from office, will you still be screaming about ‘Trump Derangement’? If Trump is impeached and removed from office, I will eat my hat. Publicly. I will do the same if he is abducted by aliens. But I am glad these fantasies percolate among the left. Keeps their emotions down a bit. So that things like that baseball practice shooter are not more frequent. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6793 "2017-06-15T23:04:48Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Did they? Did their reputation diminish in your eyes or the eyes of other TDS sufferers in this thread? I don’t think so. > > So of course they will continue lying. It works. Well, see, the kicker here is that we understand the English language and things like “logic” and “thinking” well enough to realize that there’s nothing particularly wrong with passing along the speculative opinions of a source, even if that speculation turned out to be wrong. The only way to call that “lying” would be to be ignorant about the definition of the word “lying”. (Or, well, to be lying about it yourself.) ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6794 "2017-06-15T23:06:11Z")
I’d just like to thank the general hoi-polloi for keeping \*\*Okrahoma \*\*busy chasing his tail around the, “He Said Three Times He Wasn’t Under Investigation,” maypole. Mueller will be personally clapping irons on Trump in the rose garden of the White House and \*\*Okra \*\*will still be here screaming … “COMEY SAID THREE TIMES HE WASN’T UNDER INVESTIGATION GODDAMNIT!!!” ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6795 "2017-06-15T23:08:50Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > If Trump is impeached and removed from office, I will eat my hat. Publicly. I will do the same if he is abducted by aliens. > > But I am glad these fantasies percolate among the left. Keeps their emotions down a bit. So that things like that baseball practice shooter are not more frequent. You know, I don’t really have a clear response to this. On the on hand you sound like you are living in a really weird fantasy world. On the other hand, that obviously corrupt and incompetent piece of orange shit actually got elected, over the protests of the educated and rational. So maybe we ARE in a really weird nightmare fantasy world, and making predictions based on what is right, good, or obviously suggested by all facts in evidence might not be a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6796 "2017-06-15T23:11:10Z")
> [@](#): > > Are you getting paid in rubles to post here? Or are you just an idiot? could be both ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6797 "2017-06-15T23:29:53Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > You know, I don’t really have a clear response to this. On the on hand you sound like you are living in a really weird fantasy world. On the other hand, that obviously corrupt and incompetent piece of orange shit actually got elected, over the protests of the educated and rational. So maybe we ARE in a really weird nightmare fantasy world, and making predictions based on what is right, good, or obviously suggested by all facts in evidence might not be a good idea. Well, I think it would be ok to realize that impeachment is not really possible at this time; first, we need to fight to take the House and the Senate. That is precisely why I think that a lot of Republicans do not want to talk about it. Better to complain about easier to counter impeachment talk, because… that helps them to avoid talking about the people realizing that the Republican congress critters **are** the ones that need to be removed from office. Now, tossing those Republican rascals out is a less difficult task now as everybody, specially independents and moderate conservatives, can plainly see that the current Republican congress critters are getting willfully in bed with a flea infested guy. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6798 "2017-06-15T23:43:21Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > That story was completely, utterly false. The question is, did the “anonymous sources” lie to ABC or did ABC make it up? I lean toward ABC making it up. By “anonymous sources” you mean the person who was named in the article as Gloria Borger? ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6799 "2017-06-15T23:45:40Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > That’s true. We should question those who told ABC that Comey was going to deny it and ask them how they got it wrong. Who were they again? 🙂 Gloria Borger? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6800 "2017-06-16T00:32:15Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > If Trump is impeached and removed from office, I will eat my hat. Publicly. I will do the same if he is abducted by aliens. No, you will be just like the pathetic dorks on this very board who bragged and bragged that they had “certain and insider knowledge that WMD’s would be found in Iraq”, and then when nothing was found, slunk off never to be heard from again. Like the cowardly, lying dogs that they were. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/6801 "2017-06-16T00:39:14Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > If Trump is impeached and removed from office, I will eat my hat. Publicly. I will do the same if he is abducted by aliens. Don’t worry, he is gonna build a space dome, a beautiful,classy thick space dome. And Alpha Centaur will pay for it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=339) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=341)