# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 358
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7143 "2017-06-22T21:14:02Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > k9bfriender, that was a really incisive analysis – thank you. I think you nailed it; there was a confluence of multiple subsets with different rationales, each of which settled on Trump. And here we are. > > I think the most significant is the 2nd one, the single-interest voters. If you’re right, then the open Supreme Court seat turned out to be pivotal: some significant portion of voters pushed the button for Trump because they wanted to make sure a Republican president filled that vacancy. > > Which means that Mitch McConnell made a huge gamble, crapping on the constitution and Senate procedures, to keep that seat open. It paid off in spades. > > That motherfucker has a lot to answer for. It’s these voters I would think would no longer be supporting Trump. The “I didn’t want to but I had to” voters. I work with some of them. They acknowledged the truth about Trump but wanted that SC seat because of guns or abortion. And they got it. I’m curious what they think now but I’m afraid to ask. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7144 "2017-06-22T21:31:15Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > [No, to both.](http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/2/essays/89/pardon-power) Drat. Think of the savings in legal bills. (For the country, I mean.) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7145 "2017-06-22T21:45:35Z")
> [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > Well that’s the rub, isn’t it? When it comes to things that you not personally experiencing or personally an expert in- how many people know enough about, say, economics to evaluate whether Senator Bob Smith’s proposed policy is full of hooey?- you have to take the word of someone who does know. And you can’t just read a right-biased and a left-biased newspaper and split the difference- by this point they’re reporting two separate realities. And so you have to basically pick one side to believe, based on what makes the most sense to you, and disregard the other side as a bunch of nutjobs reporting from Planet Banana Pudding. It’s for this reason that I consider it particularly puzzling that climate change denial is the hill on which many conservatives have chosen to firmly plant their flag. 😕 Whether climate change is caused by humankind requires expert knowledge most people don’t have, but that it is happening doesn’t. And while many conservatives admit it’s happening, other still insist the entire thing is a hoax. But watching time-lapse pictures of centuries-old glaciers retreating in a few decades doesn’t require expert knowledge. The concrete evidence of the [del]melting[/del] opening of the Northwest Passage – additional Coast Guard patrols, Northwest Passage cruises for sale – doesn’t. :smack: Climate change isn’t just an important issue in and of itself, it’s a canary in the coal mine for some people’s increasing willingness to believe, and believe fervently, contrary to evidence. It’s also my confirmation why “I’ve picked my sect, and I believe in it.” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7146 "2017-06-22T22:05:50Z")
To steal a link **enlazi** posted in the solar wall thread, _[Trμmp told the lawmakers](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/solar-border-wall-idea-trump/story?id=48214907) they could talk about the idea with others, but on one condition: They had to say it was his idea._ My question is, was he always like this? I feel fairly confident that self-absorption is a life-long trait, but this much is just fucked up. Has he been regressing? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7147 "2017-06-22T22:12:25Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > BTW, has anyone else noticed how intelligent and incisive **The Tooth** is? But every mid-afternoon, he’s debilitated by psychosomatic pain! Each day… Tooth hurty! ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7148 "2017-06-22T22:21:08Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Has he been regressing? Yes, and quite clearly too. There are things out on the internet that show the vast difference in his vocabulary and comprehension between earlier days and now. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7149 "2017-06-22T22:40:00Z")
> [@John\_Bredin](#): > > It’s for this reason that I consider it particularly puzzling that climate change denial is the hill on which many conservatives have chosen to firmly plant their flag. I called an acquaintance of mine on that particular issue. Did not get a useful response. I asked, why don’t right wingers deny the germ theory? I mean, tiny things we can’t see, that can kill us? Preposterous! Eliminate disinfectants in hospitals - think of the money we’ll save! How about the laws of thermodynamics? “Thermo-what? You talk like a fag, and your shit’s all retarded.” Perpetual motion for everyone! ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7150 "2017-06-22T22:43:22Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Yes, and quite clearly too. There are things out on the internet that show the vast difference in his vocabulary and comprehension between earlier days and now. That much I am aware of – I may have even posted one of those pieces in this here thread. I am more interested in the emotional element: it seems as though he may have been able to control his narcissism in the past, but has lost that ability. Or I/we just did not notice it so much before because he was not hung out on the prow like he is now. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7151 "2017-06-22T22:45:27Z")
> [@Catamount](#): > > Has anyone asked Putin if he has any tapes? Yeah, that day that Trump had all the Ruskies sequestered in the Oval Office-- how likely is it that one of them planted a bug somewhere? ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7152 "2017-06-22T22:46:15Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > I asked, why don’t right wingers deny the germ theory? I mean, tiny things we can’t see, that can kill us? Preposterous! Eliminate disinfectants in hospitals - think of the money we’ll save! > > How about the laws of thermodynamics? “Thermo-what? You talk like a fag, and your shit’s all retarded.” Perpetual motion for everyone! Can you imagine if they decided to deny mathematics? “A[sup]2[/sup] + B[sup]2[/sup] = C[sup]2[/sup] is just a theorem!” ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7153 "2017-06-22T22:51:00Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > But every mid-afternoon, he’s debilitated by psychosomatic pain! > > Each day… Tooth hurty! Dixie cup joke! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7154 "2017-06-22T22:53:26Z")
Shit For Brains wants to build a [“Solar Wall”](https://www.yahoo.com/gma/trump-traveling-iowa-campaign-style-rally-161806758--abc-news-topstories.html) on the U.S.-Mexico border. :rolleyes: “We are thinking about building a wall as a solar wall,” he said. “So it creates energy. And pays for itself. And this way, Mexico will have to pay much less money. And that’s good, right? Is that good? You are the first group I’ve told that to. It makes sense. Let’s see. We are working it out. Solar wall panels. Think of it, the higher it goes, the more valuable it is. Pretty good imagination, right? _My idea_. We have a good shot. That’s one of the places where solar really does work. At the tremendous sun and heat. We will see what happens.” ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7155 "2017-06-22T22:55:31Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Shit For Brains wants to build a [“Solar Wall”](https://www.yahoo.com/gma/trump-traveling-iowa-campaign-style-rally-161806758--abc-news-topstories.html) on the U.S.-Mexico border. :rolleyes: > > “We are thinking about building a wall as a solar wall,” he said. “So it creates energy. And pays for itself. And this way, Mexico will have to pay much less money. And that’s good, right? Is that good? You are the first group I’ve told that to. It makes sense. Let’s see. We are working it out. Solar wall panels. Think of it, the higher it goes, the more valuable it is. Pretty good imagination, right? _My idea_. We have a good shot. That’s one of the places where solar really does work. At the tremendous sun and heat. We will see what happens.” The fun part, of course, will be policing the wall for people with water balloons full of paint. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7156 "2017-06-22T23:07:03Z")
> [@Little\_Pig](#): > > Shit For Brains wants to build a [“Solar Wall”](https://www.yahoo.com/gma/trump-traveling-iowa-campaign-style-rally-161806758--abc-news-topstories.html) on the U.S.-Mexico border. :rolleyes: There is [an entire thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=827996) started about three weeks ago, on the subject of whether this is his way of trying to get liberals onboard with the wall idea. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7157 "2017-06-22T23:34:12Z")
> [@SingleMalt](#): > > Well, have you even submitted a resume? ha! good one ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7158 "2017-06-22T23:37:06Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > To steal a link **enlazi** posted in the solar wall thread, > _[Trμmp told the lawmakers](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/solar-border-wall-idea-trump/story?id=48214907) they could talk about the idea with others, but on one condition: They had to say it was his idea._ 😃 Oh Trump is WELCOME to own that idea. Unfortunatly many of his supporters will think it’s great. [sub]psssst. Oh President Truummmmp… Solar Freaking Roadways[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7159 "2017-06-23T00:56:20Z")
Donald Trump wins standing ovation from hayseeds at rally for proposing immigration law [that already exists](https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-wins-standing-ovation-144000754.html) :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7160 "2017-06-23T03:54:08Z")
45’s reassurance “we’ll see what happens” at the end of all his assurances are very reassuring. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7161 "2017-06-23T04:25:56Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > There is [an entire thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=827996) started about three weeks ago, on the subject of whether this is his way of trying to get liberals onboard with the wall idea. All it needs now is Bluetooth. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2017, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7162 "2017-06-23T05:37:28Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > There is [an entire thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=827996) started about three weeks ago, on the subject of whether this is his way of trying to get liberals onboard with the wall idea. Except, as pointed out twice upthread, it wasn’t Trump’s idea. He’s making everyone say it was his idea. It’s like the Kim Jungs pretending they invented stuff. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=357) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=359)