# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 361
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7203 "2017-06-24T03:03:23Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Whoever does the closed captioning on Trump’s videos is as ignorant as he is. Unless he really did mean he was going to put minors back to work. > [Trump Touts Putting 'Minors' Back To Work, Twitter Goes Giddy | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-minors-work_us_594d99bee4b02734df2a81b4)? He just wants employees with hands smaller than his. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7204 "2017-06-24T04:26:04Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Whoever does the closed captioning on Trump’s videos is as ignorant as he is. Unless he really did mean he was going to put minors back to work. > [Trump Touts Putting 'Minors' Back To Work, Twitter Goes Giddy | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-minors-work_us_594d99bee4b02734df2a81b4)? Well, for the most part they’re lazy freeloaders that spend all day sucking up taxpayer funded education without contributing so much as a dime to the economy. Child labor laws are nothing but job killing regulation and you can get the kiddies to work for Skittles and comic books. Win-win! ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7205 "2017-06-24T04:43:37Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > [Trump drives his golf cart across a green](https://twitter.com/SInow/status/877908744344129536). That’s a no no. > > And then there’s this: (might be harmful to one’s eyes) > [VPL](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DC97SuUWAAAsO7_.jpg:small) > > So suave. Those ugly panty lines. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7206 "2017-06-24T04:44:12Z")
[President Trump’s Lies: the definitive list](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region). Enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7207 "2017-06-24T08:31:39Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [President Trump’s Lies: the definitive list](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region). > > Enjoy! That is freaking fantastic/terrible. I enjoyed the color coded calendar. His first day of not lying was in March. At a certain point you gotta laugh. That’s what we’re doing, right? _Sob_ ---
**Author:** ![Enuma\_Elish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5e9695/32.png) [@Enuma\_Elish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enuma_Elish)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7208 "2017-06-24T10:43:43Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [President Trump’s Lies: the definitive list](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region®ion=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region). > > Enjoy! I started to read your list and then realized that it wasn’t a list of Trump’s lies, but a list of lies the left claims of Trump. Do you have a list of Bill Clinton’s lies? Do you have a list of Obama’s lies? Do you have a list of Hillary’s lies? Obviously not. I hated having to vote for Trump. He was the lesser of two evils. But people like you -liberals who can’t see, or refuse to see, the faults in everyone, made my vote easier. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7209 "2017-06-24T11:00:32Z")
> [@Enuma\_Elish](#): > > I hated having to vote for Trump. He was the lesser of two evils. But people like you -liberals who can’t see, or refuse to see, the faults in everyone, made my vote easier. “It’s YOUR fault I voted for such a shithead!” ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7210 "2017-06-24T11:04:12Z")
> [@Enuma\_Elish](#): > > I started to read your list and then realized that it wasn’t a list of Trump’s lies, but a list of lies the left claims of Trump. > > Do you have a list of Bill Clinton’s lies? > > Do you have a list of Obama’s lies? > > Do you have a list of Hillary’s lies? > > Obviously not. > > I hated having to vote for Trump. He was the lesser of two evils. But people like you -liberals who can’t see, or refuse to see, the faults in everyone, made my vote easier. There is data on who lied the most- " In PolitiFact scorecards, Clinton’s comments were 22 percent “true,” 28 percent “mostly true,” 22 percent “half true,” 15 percent “mostly false,” and 11 percent “false,” and 2 percent “pants on fire.” Those numbers fare much better than Trump’s scorecard, in which his comments were 4 percent “true,” 11 percent “mostly true,” 15 percent “half true,” 17 percent “mostly false,” 34 percent “false,” and 18 percent “pants on fire.” " From [http://www.ibtimes.com/who-tells-more-lies-hillary-clinton-or-donald-trump-truth-o-meter-two-nominees-one-2422143](http://www.ibtimes.com/who-tells-more-lies-hillary-clinton-or-donald-trump-truth-o-meter-two-nominees-one-2422143) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7211 "2017-06-24T11:21:08Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > You asshole. Do you not know how to use spoiler tags? :D:D:D You tell 'em **eschereal**! ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7212 "2017-06-24T11:30:05Z")
> [@Enuma\_Elish](#): > > I started to read your list and then realized that it wasn’t a list of Trump’s lies, … > I hated having to vote for Trump. … You _ **had** _ to vote for Trump, huh? As long as you weren’t responsible, then. You know this is something childeren say, right And childeren don’t vote. So go ahead and look at yourself in the mirror, and repeat after me: “You know, honestly, I didn’t _ **have** _ to. I, as an adult, decided to. Because I wanted to.” ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7213 "2017-06-24T11:37:59Z")
> [@Enuma\_Elish](#): > > I started to read your list and then realized that it wasn’t a list of Trump’s lies, but a list of lies the left claims of Trump. > > Do you have a list of Bill Clinton’s lies? > > Do you have a list of Obama’s lies? > > Do you have a list of Hillary’s lies? > > Obviously not. > > I hated having to vote for Trump. He was the lesser of two evils. But people like you -liberals who can’t see, or refuse to see, the faults in everyone, made my vote easier. But that wasn’t the narrative against Obama. His detractors did not say hello was a lying liar who lies. They opposed him for being a Kenyan Muslim with a wife who was a transgender Wookie. Different emphasis entirely. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7214 "2017-06-24T11:47:24Z")
> [@Enuma\_Elish](#): > > I hated having to vote for Trump. He was the lesser of two evils. But people like you -liberals who can’t see, or refuse to see, the faults in everyone, made my vote easier. There, there. You only did what you had to. No, Trump is not a perfect man— but despite his faults, just imagine how much worse off we’d be with a president who reads books; has a rudimentary understanding of history, geopolitics and our own system of government; possesses an adult’s vocabulary and speaks in complete sentences; and appears to value the interests of the United States and its allies over those of Russia and Vladimir Putin. ---
**Author:** ![Enuma\_Elish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5e9695/32.png) [@Enuma\_Elish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enuma_Elish)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7215 "2017-06-24T12:06:23Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > There, there. You only did what you had to. > > No, Trump is not a perfect man— but despite his faults, just imagine how much worse off we’d be with a president who reads books; has a rudimentary understanding of history, geopolitics and our own system of government; possesses an adult’s vocabulary and speaks in complete sentences; and appears to value the interests of the United States and its allies over those of Russia and Vladimir Putin. Obama was/is an Illinois Democrat who came from a uber-union philosophy. The man can’t even give an impromptu speech. Trump isn’t perfect, but at least he can speak to a crowd without a teleprompter. If you can’t/won’t see that you are incapable of seeing Obama for who he is and what he can/can’t do. See him for what he is and judge him for what he is, not for what your ideal of him is. Fuck sakes, he was the President for 8 years - but he wasn’t perfect. If you agree with Obama’s ‘worldview’ over America first policies, fine, but many people like me want America before the world, because in the end its a better policy for everyone in the world. ---
**Author:** ![Enuma\_Elish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5e9695/32.png) [@Enuma\_Elish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enuma_Elish)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7216 "2017-06-24T12:10:33Z")
> [@Mr.Duality](#): > > There is data on who lied the most- > " > In PolitiFact scorecards, Clinton’s comments were 22 percent “true,” 28 percent “mostly true,” 22 percent “half true,” 15 percent “mostly false,” and 11 percent “false,” and 2 percent “pants on fire.” > > Those numbers fare much better than Trump’s scorecard, in which his comments were 4 percent “true,” 11 percent “mostly true,” 15 percent “half true,” 17 percent “mostly false,” 34 percent “false,” and 18 percent “pants on fire.” > " From [http://www.ibtimes.com/who-tells-more-lies-hillary-clinton-or-donald-trump-truth-o-meter-two-nominees-one-2422143](http://www.ibtimes.com/who-tells-more-lies-hillary-clinton-or-donald-trump-truth-o-meter-two-nominees-one-2422143) Please don’t quote PolitiFacts at me. They are so casually left wing and completely biased and in-accurate in their polls and judgement. You might as well quote CNN… ---
**Author:** ![Enuma\_Elish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5e9695/32.png) [@Enuma\_Elish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enuma_Elish)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7217 "2017-06-24T12:16:23Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > But that wasn’t the narrative against Obama. His detractors did not say hello was a lying liar who lies. > > They opposed him for being a Kenyan Muslim with a wife who was a transgender Wookie. > > Different emphasis entirely. His detractors, even if they hated him, gave him a chance. He chose to not make any effort to work with Republicans. The current Democrats have never given Trump a chance. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7218 "2017-06-24T12:17:57Z")
> [@Enuma\_Elish](#): > > Please don’t quote PolitiFacts at me. They are so casually left wing and completely biased and in-accurate in their polls and judgement. You might as well quote CNN… Demonstrate the inaccuracy. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7219 "2017-06-24T12:27:24Z")
> [@Enuma\_Elish](#): > > Obama was/is an Illinois Democrat who came from a uber-union philosophy. The man can’t even give an impromptu speech. Trump isn’t perfect, but at least he can speak to a crowd without a teleprompter. If you can’t/won’t see that you are incapable of seeing Obama for who he is and what he can/can’t do. See him for what he is and judge him for what he is, not for what your ideal of him is. Fuck sakes, he was the President for 8 years - but he wasn’t perfect. If you agree with Obama’s ‘worldview’ over America first policies, fine, but many people like me want America before the world, because in the end its a better policy for everyone in the world. That’s all very stirring, but I wasn’t referring to Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7220 "2017-06-24T12:35:15Z")
> [@Enuma\_Elish](#): > > Obama was/is an Illinois Democrat who came from a uber-union philosophy. The man can’t even give an impromptu speech. Trump isn’t perfect, but at least he can speak to a crowd without a teleprompter. If you can’t/won’t see that you are incapable of seeing Obama for who he is and what he can/can’t do. See him for what he is and judge him for what he is, not for what your ideal of him is. Fuck sakes, he was the President for 8 years - but he wasn’t perfect. If you agree with Obama’s ‘worldview’ over America first policies, fine, but many people like me want America before the world, because in the end its a better policy for everyone in the world. WTF are you on about? Trump is damn near incoherent when he isn’t reading a speech. He cannot manage to complete a sentence longer than ren words without going on some bizarre tangent (more like skew). Obama recognized what our allies do and also what obligations we have to them. He sure didn’t have uninformed hissy fits about them. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7221 "2017-06-24T12:37:01Z")
> [@Enuma\_Elish](#): > > Please don’t quote PolitiFacts at me. They are so casually left wing and completely biased and in-accurate in their polls and judgement. You might as well quote CNN… God forbid you trust anything from a legitimate news source, right? > [@Enuma\_Elish](#): > > His detractors, even if they hated him, gave him a chance. He chose to not make any effort to work with Republicans. The current Democrats have never given Trump a chance. That’s unadulterated horseshit. You voted for Trump not because you had to but because you wanted to. ---
**Author:** ![Enuma\_Elish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5e9695/32.png) [@Enuma\_Elish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enuma_Elish)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7222 "2017-06-24T12:54:24Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Demonstrate the inaccuracy. If you are so instilled in your left-wing ideology, there is nothing I can show you now. I’m too drunk. If you are serious, I will try to give cites later. Fucking H. anyone with any sense and any basic curiosity knows PolitiFact is bullshit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=360) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=362)