# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 369
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7364 "2017-06-26T17:26:28Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I have no idea what y’all are on about. The only underlined text in my previous post is " Jared Kushner’s company’s undisclosed $285 million loan from Deutsche Bank yet?" > > Using the quote boxes as hyperlinks doesn’t underline the text. It looks like this: [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/a/dO3MV) [ETA: on IE at least] I don’t have a strong feeling about it, but just since it doesn’t seem to be visible to you, here it is. It does really jack up the post on Tapatalk, though. The quotes don’t render correctly as links. so I get all the tags and no quote box. Not sure if anyone else has that issue. Like I said, not a big issue for me. Just, you know, trying to be helpful. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7365 "2017-06-26T17:28:23Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I’ve seen this quote about Trump: > > “Trump is a dumb person’s idea of a smart man. > Trump is a weak person’s idea of a strong man. > Trump is a poor man’s idea of a rich man.” That is the most on-point summary of Trump’s phony, ponzi-like identity I’ve seen. I’d love to know the author. > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Great. At long last, maybe we can stop this incessant wave of terrorist attacks we haven’t been having. You think he ever figured out _what the hell is going on?_ ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7366 "2017-06-26T17:30:09Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I have no idea what y’all are on about. The only underlined text in my previous post is " Jared Kushner’s company’s undisclosed $285 million loan from Deutsche Bank yet?" > > Using the quote boxes as hyperlinks doesn’t underline the text. This is what we see: Did we note Jared Kushner’s company’s undisclosed $285 million loan from Deutsche Bank yet? Quote: > [@](#): > > One month before Election Day, Jared Kushner’s real estate company finalized a $285 million loan as part of a refinancing package for its property near Times Square in Manhattan. > > The loan came at a critical moment. Kushner was playing a key role in the presidential campaign of his father-in-law, Donald Trump. The lender, Deutsche Bank, was negotiating to settle a federal mortgage fraud case and charges from New York state regulators that it aided a possible Russian money-laundering scheme. The cases were settled in December and January. Quote: > [@](#): > > The corporate loan and Kushner’s personal guarantee are not mentioned on his financial disclosure form, filed with the Office of Government Ethics. All of that is one big link. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7367 "2017-06-26T17:34:14Z")
And here’s how it looks for me in Tapatalk. [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/a/qPllI) So, I was wrong. I do get the quote boxes, but the link is goobed up and not clickable. Again, not sure if others get that. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7368 "2017-06-26T18:16:31Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Because the “travel ban” is **not** actually “on” for most of the people who went to law about it, nor for most of the people it was originally written to apply to. Look at the second “travel ban” executive order. It already excludes the “bona fide relationship” people. The Supreme Court basically affirmed the second EO. Good for them. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7369 "2017-06-26T18:22:03Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > This is what we see: > > Did we note Jared Kushner’s company’s undisclosed $285 million loan from Deutsche Bank yet? > Quote: > > Quote: > All of that is one big link. Weird. I don’t see it either. Do you guys see this with anyone else’s links or not? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7370 "2017-06-26T18:25:07Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > That is the most on-point summary of Trump’s phony, ponzi-like identity I’ve seen. I’d love to know the author. > You think he ever figured out _what the hell is going on?_ Fran Lebowitz is credited with the line about a poor persons idea of a rich person. It’s looking like that might be the first line in her obituary, the way things worked out. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7371 "2017-06-26T18:28:24Z")
> [@Enuma\_Elish](#): > > I can’t fucking believe you don’t care if Bill Clinton raped under-aged girls on a billionaire’s jet. Whether you believe it or not, you are shit personified for just casually ignoring facts that reasonable people/media have reported while grabbing onto ‘facts’ that fake obviously lying obviously biased media reports. Where did THIS fucking moron crawl in from??? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7372 "2017-06-26T18:28:40Z")
The line about a dumb man’s idea of a smart man was applied to Gingrich some years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7373 "2017-06-26T18:29:33Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > The Supreme Court basically affirmed the second EO. Well, for values of “basically” [equivalent to “not really”](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/26/supreme-court-to-take-up-trumps-travel-ban-let-parts-of-it-take-effect-239956): > [@](#): > > The high court’s action Monday means parts of the order Trump re-issued in March will go into effect until the justices decide on the legality of the measure. The justices called for arguments on the travel ban during the court’s first session in October. […] the court’s order after nearly five months of legal uncertainty lets Trump’s directive go forward with significant limitations in place. > [@Okrahoma](#): > > Good for them. Oh, so you reject Trump’s position that his second “travel ban” EO was a craven and misjudged “politically correct” compromise? > [@](#): > > Trump has since said the decision to reformulate the order was a mistake. > > “The Justice Dept. should have stayed with the original Travel Ban, not the watered down, politically correct version they submitted to S.C.,” he wrote on Twitter earlier this month. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7374 "2017-06-26T18:37:19Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > This is what we see: > > Did we note Jared Kushner’s company’s undisclosed $285 million loan from Deutsche Bank yet? > Quote: > > Quote: > All of that is one big link. I see one big underlined link as well. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7375 "2017-06-26T18:54:26Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Well, for values of “basically” [equivalent to “not really”](http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/26/supreme-court-to-take-up-trumps-travel-ban-let-parts-of-it-take-effect-239956): As I said, you apparently did not read the EO that is in contention. Here is the full text of it for you: [Full Text And Analysis: President Trump's New Travel Ban Executive Order : NPR](http://www.npr.org/2017/03/06/518785814/full-text-trumps-new-executive-order-on-travel-annotated) Section 3 already allows entry to the categories of people that the Supreme Court mentioned. So the SC decision allows the EO to come into effect fully now. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7376 "2017-06-26T18:58:51Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > Do you guys see this with anyone else’s links or not? I think I’ve only ever seen it with **Bo’s** posts. And I see it with all of his where he includes quote boxes. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7377 "2017-06-26T19:02:49Z")
And here I was feeling a little down that I don’t have Clothy to kick around anymore. Glad Okra is still derping around and Enuma is working hard to fill in as the mentally deficient Trump fellator. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7378 "2017-06-26T19:10:13Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Section 3 already allows entry to the categories of people that the Supreme Court mentioned. So the SC decision allows the EO to come into effect fully now. Well, for values of “fully” equivalent to “partially”. You apparently didn’t read your own link carefully enough to notice that Section 3 of this revised EO (Trump’s “watered down, politically correct version”) specifies those “categories of people” as “circumstances” in which “ **case-by-case** waivers” to the travel ban’s entry suspension “ **could** be appropriate” (emphasis added). This Supreme Court ruling, on the other hand, states that the travel ban outright does not apply to “foreign nationals who have a credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States”. Not just that such a credible claim of a bona fide relationship **might** qualify them for a **case-by-case waiver** of the ban, as the EO allows, but that it actually **exempts** them from the ban. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7379 "2017-06-26T19:20:22Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Well, for values of “fully” equivalent to “partially”. You apparently didn’t read your own link carefully enough to notice that Section 3 of this revised EO (Trump’s “watered down, politically correct version”) specifies those “categories of people” as “circumstances” in which “ **case-by-case** waivers” to the travel ban’s entry suspension “ **could** be appropriate” (emphasis added). > > This Supreme Court ruling, on the other hand, states that the travel ban outright does not apply to “foreign nationals who have a credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States”. Not just that such a credible claim of a bona fide relationship **might** qualify them for a **case-by-case waiver** of the ban, as the EO allows, but that it actually **exempts** them from the ban. Since all visa applications, AFAIU, are decided on a case-by-case basis, the distinction is immaterial. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7380 "2017-06-26T19:28:28Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > And here’s how it looks for me in Tapatalk. [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/a/qPllI) Tapatalk is pretty messed up. It has some advantages, but its thread display sucks sons of electric donkey bottom biters. I often use a quote box that has the source link in the top, where it says “Originally Posted by …”, but when I just looked at one of those in Tapatalk, that line was not there at all. As an app, it is a worthwhile concept shabbily executed. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7381 "2017-06-26T19:37:40Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > And here I was feeling a little down that I don’t have Clothy to kick around anymore. Why not? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7382 "2017-06-26T19:38:30Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Since all visa applications, AFAIU, are decided on a case-by-case basis, the distinction is immaterial. Nonsense. The distinction between “this criterion **may** be used at the discretion of the authorities to waive the default banned status in your individual case” and “this criterion means that the default banned status **does not apply** to you” is not at all immaterial, even if applications are individually scrutinized for a whole slew of other potentially disqualifying criteria as well. Marriage licenses, for example, are also granted on a case-by-case basis, subject to various legal criteria about consanguinuity and existing marital status etc. Does that mean there’s no difference between saying that two consenting single people who meet those criteria **may** be permitted to marry at the authorities’ discretion, and saying that two such people legally **must** be permitted to marry? Hell no it does not: that difference is anything but “immaterial”. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7383 "2017-06-26T19:49:26Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Since all visa applications, AFAIU, are decided on a case-by-case basis, the distinction is immaterial. Jesus Fucking Christ. Did your mother have any children who weren’t born brain-dead? The ruling says that the _ban does not apply_ to, “ **foreign nationals who have a credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States** ”. Thus, since all visa applications are evaluated on a case by case basis, those individuals who have a **credible claim** (and, I assume, do not pose a threat) will not be blocked from entry. Which is precisely material to the issued ruling. You fucking muppet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=368) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=370)