# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 370
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7384 "2017-06-26T19:52:19Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Great. At long last, maybe we can stop this incessant wave of terrorist attacks we haven’t been having. Yeah, the parts of the ban just okayed by the Court will do nothing whatsoever to protect us. On the contrary: it’s a hand-wrapped gift from Trump to his ISIS buddies, who will find it a great boon to their recruitment efforts. And ultimately it may pay off for Trump with terrorist acts committed by people totally unaffected by the ban, but inspired by the hate it embodies–the hate it _flaunts_, really. The flaunting of the hate _is_ the point. When enough violent acts horrify enough Americans, Trump may be enabled to become President for Life (through the imposition of martial law etc. etc.) if a sufficient number of Americans are gullible, ignorant, and poorly-informed. And we know that the odds of that are pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7385 "2017-06-26T20:03:03Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Jesus Fucking Christ. Did your mother have any children who weren’t born brain-dead? > > The ruling says that the _ban does not apply_ to, “ **foreign nationals who have a credible claim of a bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States** ”. > > Thus, since all visa applications are evaluated on a case by case basis, those individuals who have a **credible claim** (and, I assume, do not pose a threat) will not be blocked from entry. > > Which is precisely material to the issued ruling. You fucking muppet. A bit hard on muppets. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7386 "2017-06-26T20:06:38Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > … **if** a sufficient number of Americans are gullible, ignorant, and poorly-informed. (bolding mine) With almost 63M voting for the orange buffoon, I don’t think there remains any “if” about it. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7387 "2017-06-26T20:08:30Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > A bit hard on muppets. I just hate that fucking guy. Is it obvious? ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7388 "2017-06-26T20:20:07Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Why not? He got mad I called him a snowflake and snowflaked me on to his naughty list. I still get to mock him, he just doesn’t see it unless quoted. Or he “shows post”, which I’m fairly certain he does. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7389 "2017-06-26T20:22:35Z")
Yup. Isn’t it amazing how the very people who co-opted the term ‘snowflake’ to mean their political opponents, and wear shirts that say “Fuck your feelings” are themselves the biggest whiny bitches with fee-fees more sensitive than a bi-polar BPD person in the middle of a nervous breakdown? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7390 "2017-06-26T20:28:40Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > With almost 63M voting for the orange buffoon, I don’t think there remains any “if” about it. Oh, absolutely. Which means that there is virtually no chance that an effective-resistance-level number of Americans will realize that \*the entire reason for the ‘Muslim ban’ _IS to anger Muslims and provoke them to violence_. So the fascists may be well on the way to a big win. \*In ANY population of humans, there will be a minority who are looking for a justification for doing what they want to do: to commit violence. This obvious fact is the reason that for centuries “incitement” has been considered to be a crime in and of itself under the common law. Yes, all people, including Muslim people, _should_ resist attempts by the unscrupulous to inflame them into illegal aggressive acts. But that doesn’t absolve the unscrupulous from blame. Trump’s ‘Muslim travel ban’ was created for the purpose of inciting violence. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7391 "2017-06-26T20:35:01Z")
Can we get something straight here? Spicer says it’s NOT a ban. OK? I don’t care if Trump says it’s a ban, Spicer says it isn’t. And they’re on the same team, for fuck’s sake. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7392 "2017-06-26T20:40:38Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Yup. Isn’t it amazing how the very people who co-opted the term ‘snowflake’ to mean their political opponents, and wear shirts that say “Fuck your feelings” are themselves the biggest whiny bitches with fee-fees more sensitive than a bi-polar BPD person in the middle of a nervous breakdown? Indeed. Stealing. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7393 "2017-06-26T20:45:30Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Trump’s ‘Muslim travel ban’ was created for the purpose of inciting violence. I believe this to be true. It was certainly meant to be a provocation as much as red meat for his core supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7394 "2017-06-26T20:45:35Z")
In another one of their no-video press conferences, Sean Spicer got into a shouting match with CNN reporter Jim Acosta, and Spicer tried to make it about Acosta wanting to grandstand for video cameras. > **[CNN’s Jim Acosta Again Chides White House for Banning Cameras From Briefings](https://variety.com/2017/biz/news/jim-acosta-cnn-white-house-briefing-sean-spicer-1202478668/)** > > CNN’s Jim Acosta pressed White House spokesman Sean Spicer to allow cameras to be turned on during Monday’s press briefing, as the Trump team increasingly has restricted the type of cov… ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7395 "2017-06-26T20:47:58Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > That is the most on-point summary of Trump’s phony, ponzi-like identity I’ve seen. I’d love to know the author. I just saw it in a FB feed. Not sure of the author. > [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Great. At long last, maybe we can stop this incessant wave of terrorist attacks we haven’t been having. If only it could have prevented Bowling Green. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > When enough violent acts horrify enough Americans, Trump may be enabled to become President for Life (through the imposition of martial law etc. etc.) if a sufficient number of Americans are gullible, ignorant, and poorly-informed. And we know that the odds of that are pretty good. He probably wants an American [Reichstag fire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire). > [@](#): > > The fire was used as evidence by the Nazi Party that communists were plotting against the German government. The event is seen as pivotal in the establishment of Nazi Germany. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7396 "2017-06-26T21:02:47Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > He probably wants an American [Reichstag fire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire). Certainly that must be on Steve Bannon’s mind, if not Trump’s. I argued in a thread here in the Pit that the fact that most Americans believe Trump owns the NYC Trump Tower–he doesn’t–makes it ideal for an attack that could be seized as a power-grab opportunity. But now that Melania and Barron have moved out, the emotional appeal would be lessened. At this point I’m guessing that any pro-ISIS American Muslims who are capable of being steered by Sessions’ true-believer FBI personnel, would be steered toward something that would be more likely to engender both ‘that could have been me’ emotions and ‘that’s a symbol of America!’ beliefs–something NASCAR or a country-music-concert by a big name, maybe. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7397 "2017-06-26T21:46:22Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Yup. Isn’t it amazing how the very people who co-opted the term ‘snowflake’ to mean their political opponents, and wear shirts that say “Fuck your feelings” are themselves the biggest whiny bitches with fee-fees more sensitive than a bi-polar BPD person in the middle of a nervous breakdown? Exactly. What a bunch of bullshit. They can’t handle the very thing they were trying to throw at everyone else, with their “snowflake” and their "“I ain’t gonna be PC” bullshit. God damned titty babies. Fuck THEIR fee fees ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7398 "2017-06-26T22:51:41Z")
Thanks **Bayard** , **running coach** , **raventhief** , and **Frodo** for explaining what y’all are seeing with the quote box links. [I started a thread in ATMB to learn more about this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20306406#post20306406) rather than hijack this thread. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7399 "2017-06-26T22:57:32Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > \rump’s ‘Muslim travel ban’ was created for the purpose of inciting violence.\ I doubt Trump has the ability to think that far ahead, other than to please his base to stay popular with them. However, it would not surprise me that he is easily directed by his cabinet. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7400 "2017-06-26T23:10:01Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I doubt Trump has the ability to think that far ahead, other than to please his base to stay popular with them. > > However, it would not surprise me that he is easily directed by his cabinet. Well, the way I hear it, the SCOTUS will well and truly hear this case in October. To give their final answer. Then, even if Trump wins all the way, a 90 day ban that’s not a ban can start and keep Americans safe. I guess. Not including Saudi Arabia, where the last guys to actually attack us came from. You know, to keep Americans safe. Thanks? Trump? ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7401 "2017-06-26T23:15:17Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > In another one of their no-video press conferences, Sean Spicer got into a shouting match with CNN reporter Jim Acosta, and Spicer tried to make it about Acosta wanting to grandstand for video cameras. > [http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/jim-acosta-cnn-white-house-briefing-sean-spicer-1202478668/](http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/jim-acosta-cnn-white-house-briefing-sean-spicer-1202478668/) At the moment, this is the only comment on that article: > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **Carolyn Farrell** > > Jim Acosta and his media leadership do not get it, even after all this time and after the recent presidential elections. Most of us don’t view him and the media as “independent,” nor do we care a wit that our president shut off their cameras. God bless Trump for putting him and his media minions in their place. I am waiting for Trump to boot the entire media lot out of the White House so the space may be put to better use. Exhibit #524, 331, 109 in _Trump v. Reality_. Sigh… ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7402 "2017-06-26T23:31:23Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Not including Saudi Arabia, where the last guys to actually attack us came from. Well, to be fair, there was that [incident](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing) up in Boston, though fortunately on a much smaller scale. Of course, neither Kyrgyzstan nor Russia are on Trump’s list, so they would’ve gotten in anyway. And yes, I agree - until Saudi Arabia is on a list of that kind, it’s pointless. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7403 "2017-06-26T23:34:37Z")
I hear you, and I’ll raise you: Even with Saudi Arabia on the list, it’s still a crock of fearful and ineffective bullshit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=369) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=371)