# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 374
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7464 "2017-06-28T13:19:26Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The Tea Party–\>Freedom Caucus dovetailed perfectly with Mitch McConnell’s bitter hatred of Obama and refusal to cooperate with him on anything. Cooperation and compromise–the very foundation of a successful political process–became dirty words. I detest that destructive, evil man. Absolutely. I’ll believe to my last breath that if Obama had been white, McConnell would not have been nearly so obstructionist. The sad truth is that McConnell is a racist motherfucker who simply could not stomach the idea of a black president and did everything he could to de-legitimize him. The transformation of Republicans that began with Nixon’s Southern Strategy is now complete, they are the party of racism and bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7465 "2017-06-28T13:22:56Z")
Well, it’s hard to see how much more obstructionist the party could have been when Bill Clinton was president. They didn’t try to impeach Obama, remember. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7466 "2017-06-28T13:40:10Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The Tea Party–\>Freedom Caucus dovetailed perfectly with Mitch McConnell’s bitter hatred of Obama and refusal to cooperate with him on anything. Cooperation and compromise–the very foundation of a successful political process–became dirty words. I detest that destructive, evil man. It’s my firmly held belief that virtually all the ills of American society – and many of the world’s – can be traced back to the following: Ronald Reagan Newt Gingrich Roger Ailes Bush’s Neo-con cabal Mitch McConnell But that’s a rant for another day. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7467 "2017-06-28T14:09:01Z")
I’m liking this. “Who’s afraid of Trump? Not enough Republicans — at least for now.” > **[Who’s afraid of Trump? Not enough Republicans — at least for now.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/whos-afraid-of-trump-not-enough-republicans--at-least-for-now/2017/06/27/cee56720-5b57-11e7-9b7d-14576dc0f39d_story.html)** > > The retreat on health care underscores the president’s limits in securing support from the GOP Congress. > [@](#): > > History suggests that presidents who have governed successfully have been both revered and feared. But Republican fixtures in Washington are beginning to conclude that Trump may be neither, despite his mix of bravado, threats and efforts to schmooze with GOP lawmakers. > > … > > “This president is the first president in our history who has neither political nor military experience, and thus it has been a challenge to him to learn how to interact with Congress and learn how to push his agenda better,” said Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), who opposes the current health-care bill. > > … > > In private conversations on Capitol Hill, Trump is often not taken seriously. Some Republican lawmakers consider some of his promises — such as making Mexico pay for a new border wall — fantastical. They are exhausted and at times exasperated by his hopscotching from one subject to the next, chronicled in his pithy and provocative tweets. They are quick to point out how little command he demonstrates of policy. And they have come to regard some of his threats as empty, concluding that crossing the president poses little danger… Ooooo…“anonymous sources”! ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7468 "2017-06-28T14:19:32Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > It’s my firmly held belief that virtually all the ills of American society – and many of the world’s – can be traced back to the following: > > Ronald Reagan > Newt Gingrich > Roger Ailes > Bush’s Neo-con cabal > Mitch McConnell > > But that’s a rant for another day. You left out a certain radio pundit named after the feeling you get when you deeply inhale certain types of white powder… ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7469 "2017-06-28T14:22:07Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > You left out a certain radio pundit named after the feeling you get when you deeply inhale certain types of white powder… I don’t think Cokie Roberts is that bad. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7470 "2017-06-28T14:22:40Z")
Vince the Shamwow guy is 10X the businessman Trump is. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7471 "2017-06-28T14:30:46Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > You left out a certain radio pundit named after the feeling you get when you deeply inhale certain types of white powder… That makes you feel all good and hannity, does it? ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7472 "2017-06-28T14:31:20Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > You left out a certain radio pundit named after the feeling you get when you deeply inhale certain types of white powder… It is hard to convey, to folks who don’t have Dittoheads among their friends, the extent to which Rush Limbaugh is responsible for where we are today. He has been relentlessly lying about politics and the news to a national audience for nearly 30 years, and he has spawned hordes of imitators. They have created the alternate reality that made Trump possible. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7473 "2017-06-28T15:12:58Z")
> [@Crotalus](#): > > It is hard to convey, to folks who don’t have Dittoheads among their friends, the extent to which Rush Limbaugh is responsible for where we are today. He has been relentlessly lying about politics and the news to a national audience for nearly 30 years, and he has spawned hordes of imitators. They have created the alternate reality that made Trump possible. Good call. Rush goes on the list. [Arya Stark]Reagan…Limbaugh…Gingrich…[/AS] ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7474 "2017-06-28T15:22:36Z")
Don’t forget Grover Norquist. Some people on your list are essentially his mouthpieces. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7475 "2017-06-28T15:24:44Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I don’t think Cokie Roberts is that bad. \ ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7476 "2017-06-28T15:28:05Z")
[Arya Stark]Reagan…Gingrich…Limbaugh…Norquist …[/AS] ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7477 "2017-06-28T16:22:44Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > [Arya Stark]Reagan…Gingrich…Limbaugh…Norquist …[/AS] …and nice, red uniforms. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7478 "2017-06-28T17:19:33Z")
I present this: > [@](#): > > White House says President Trump accepts an invitation from French President Macron to visit for Bastille Day. I wonder if Macron has a suggestions box? I await developments with interest. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7479 "2017-06-28T18:02:41Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Vince the Shamwow guy is 10X the businessman Trump is. And yet there’s Trump making God only knows how much money (or paying off Russian debt, which is effectively the same thing) off the office of the Presidency. The guy has made himself ludicrously rich selling… what? Bluster? He hasn’t been a serious real estate developer in decades, has he? He has amassed more gold than a James Bond villain basically by just saying his name over and over. He’s a fucking BRILLIANT businessman. It’s as if I went out selling my dog’s shit and somehow raked in $500 million doing it; it might all be dog shit but I’m King of Entrepreneurs if I can get rich off it. Say what you will about the Trumps and the Kardashians and other people who make dough by selling their names, but they got rich doing it. The problem with Donald Trump is not his skill as a businessman. It’s that he is the worst President in the history of the United States. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7480 "2017-06-28T18:05:51Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > “A Time Magazine with Trump on the cover hangs in his golf clubs. It’s fake.” > [http://wapo.st/2sO8Uq3](http://wapo.st/2sO8Uq3) I’ve seen this referenced so many times and I couldn’t for the life of me figure out why he wanted to hang a Time magazine cover on his [golf clubs.](http://golfgurls.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/golf-clubs3_full.jpg) :smack: ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7481 "2017-06-28T18:07:19Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > It is a system that fosters entrepreneurship and small business. Fostering entrepreneurship and small business by hiding assets and shielding people from paying their debts such that the rest of us have to eat the cost sounds exactly like a corrupt system, but I won’t derail this thread any further. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7482 "2017-06-28T18:22:23Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > And yet there’s Trump making God only knows how much money (or paying off Russian debt, which is effectively the same thing) off the office of the Presidency. > > The guy has made himself ludicrously rich selling… what? Bluster? He hasn’t been a serious real estate developer in decades, has he? He has amassed more gold than a James Bond villain basically by just saying his name over and over. He’s a fucking BRILLIANT businessman. It’s as if I went out selling my dog’s shit and somehow raked in $500 million doing it; it might all be dog shit but I’m King of Entrepreneurs if I can get rich off it. Say what you will about the Trumps and the Kardashians and other people who make dough by selling their names, but they got rich doing it. > > The problem with Donald Trump is not his skill as a businessman. It’s that he is the worst President in the history of the United States. He’s a passably skilled _self-promoter_. I maintain that that’s only part of what makes a businessman. For Trump, the remainder is “threatening people” and “refusing to pay his bills” - and even with those tactics and his self-promotion skills he’s done a very poor job of growing his money as compared to other people with similar starting funds. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7483 "2017-06-28T18:36:44Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Well, it’s hard to see how much more obstructionist the party could have been when Bill Clinton was president. They didn’t try to impeach Obama, remember. They never start any investigations into Obama. Whitewater was brought up during the '92 election cycle, starting an ongoing investigation that lasted 5 years, Ken Starr trying to worry at any vague bit of gristle he could get a tooth into. I never really saw any efforts by anyone to pursue any kind of serious investigation into Obama. They were never able to generate half a skating of traction anywhere, not even with Solyndra. They might have reveled in being able to impeach him, and it must have been frustrating that there was nothing to latch onto. Trμmp, OTOH, has been troubled since about day -50. Not sure where that will lead. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=373) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=375)