# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 393
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7844 "2017-07-08T14:57:42Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > And if it couldn’t be touched, why let people walk by it? Because I’m sure they only thought responsible adults would be near it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7845 "2017-07-08T14:57:42Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump held a closed door meeting with Putin for two hours, with only interpreters, the Secretary of State, and the Foreign Minister of Russia present. > [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/07/world/europe/g20-hamburg-trump-putin-protests.html?\_r=0](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/07/world/europe/g20-hamburg-trump-putin-protests.html?_r=0) From what I’ve been hearing, Putin is again getting everything he wants, while we get jack shit. Fucking disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7846 "2017-07-08T15:00:18Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > [We can all hope.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3ythpzsu18) Absolutely! ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7847 "2017-07-08T15:01:30Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Meanwhile, Der Spiegel has [this](https://twitter.com/sparkychick3233/status/883667315300192257) to say. I wonder how they _really_ feel? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7848 "2017-07-08T15:53:18Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Gotta give credit where credit is due: “Rubio dared me to do it!” is pretty funny. Or, it might turn out less funny _Why did you nuke Seoul?_ Rubio dared me to do it! \*Yeah, well, he meant \ ***North** _Korea_. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7849 "2017-07-08T16:11:42Z")
Hey, Trump, about those “bad hombres”? It would have been nice to start deporting [this one](http://www.localmemphis.com/news/national/mother-accused-of-fatally-stabbing-kids-husband-gives-thumbsup-in-court/760142102) _before_ she tried to kill her entire family. One kid survived. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7850 "2017-07-08T16:23:34Z")
Hey, did you hear about this crazy chick who murdered almost her entire family in cold blood, leaving one nine-year-old seriously fucked up and then raved in court claiming that her faith would defend her? Never mind that; she’s an _illegal_! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7851 "2017-07-08T16:34:14Z")
Hey, if the big Cheeto was going after the bad hombres like he said he would rather than, say, high school students who have done nothing other than be undocumented or responsible fathers whose only offense other than being undocumented was DWI without a license, the crazy chick would not have been in a position to murder anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7852 "2017-07-08T16:40:52Z")
In fact, she would have been the perfect soft target for today’s immigration department as long as they kept her away from the knives. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7853 "2017-07-08T16:53:46Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Hey, if the big Cheeto was going after the bad hombres like he said he would rather than, say, high school students who have done nothing other than be undocumented or responsible fathers whose only offense other than being undocumented was DWI without a license, the crazy chick would not have been in a position to murder anyone. What did she do before the stabbing that should have attracted their attention? ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7854 "2017-07-08T17:00:46Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Hey, did you hear about this crazy chick who murdered almost her entire family in cold blood, leaving one nine-year-old seriously fucked up and then raved in court claiming that her faith would defend her? > > Never mind that; she’s an _illegal_! I bet she was a _Christian_ too. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7855 "2017-07-08T17:06:27Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > What did she do before the stabbing that should have attracted their attention? What did that high school student do to attract their attention? Apparently, as far as the Trump Administration is concerned, they simply have to exist. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7856 "2017-07-08T17:29:16Z")
Point is: how many “bad hombres” are only caught after the fact while ICE is busy going after soft targets? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7857 "2017-07-08T18:11:48Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > OK, it was stupid. But what exactly did touching do to it? And if it couldn’t be touched, why let people walk by it? You have all sort of oils and acids in your hands that can cause damage to surfaces like that. Space stuff is engineered within microns, so the slight amount of etching done by the residual oils left behind can make a difference. NASA’s “we were going to clean it anyway” is allowing him to save face. Yeah, they were going to clean it, at some point before it was launched, but now they need to clean it right now, before damage is done. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7858 "2017-07-08T19:20:23Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > What did that high school student do to attract their attention? Apparently, as far as the Trump Administration is concerned, they simply have to exist. You made the argument that if Immigration and Customs Enforcement (under the direction of Trump) had gone after this woman, instead of other illegal immigrants, that she wouldn’t have been in a position to murder her children. For that to make any sense, they would have needed a reason to focus on her before the murders. > [@Skywatcher](#): > > Point is: how many “bad hombres” are only caught after the fact while ICE is busy going after soft targets? In one sense, all of them are caught after the fact, unless you know some way to identify the “bad hombres” before they do anything bad. But really, we don’t know how many are caught before the fact. Maybe that high school student (whoever you’re referring to) would have gone on a killing spree if not detained. Look, I’m no fan of Trump, or of fearmongering over illegal immigration. I just want the criticism of him to make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7859 "2017-07-08T19:45:10Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > I bet she was a _Christian_ too. No doubt. That brand of crazy usually has that seal of approval on it, but that wasn’t quite my point. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7860 "2017-07-08T20:15:35Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > You made the argument that if Immigration and Customs Enforcement (under the direction of Trump) had gone after this woman, instead of other illegal immigrants, that she wouldn’t have been in a position to murder her children. For that to make any sense, they would have needed a reason to focus on her before the murders. Like I said, this administration apparently needs no reason other than the fact that these people exist. They should be going after actual “bad hombres”, not soft targets, and preferably before those bad hombres murder anyone. The high school student two whom I refer has been mentioned either in this thread or in the Bad Republican Ideas one. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7861 "2017-07-08T20:30:56Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > They should be going after actual “bad hombres”, not soft targets, and preferably before those bad hombres murder anyone. Yeah, I get that, but how do you know who the bad hombres are before they murder someone? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7862 "2017-07-08T20:37:38Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Yeah, I get that, but how do you know who the bad hombres are before they murder someone? Drug busts. 🙂 Right before the big Cheeto mentioned “bad hombres”, he was talking about drug lords. [Found that student, BTW.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20268685&postcount=6434) ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/7863 "2017-07-08T20:49:56Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Drug busts. 🙂 So the woman I was talking about, the one who stabbed her husband and children, she was arrested for drugs before the stabbings? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=392) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=394)