# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 405
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8084 "2017-07-14T16:29:01Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > You guys do realize that this is all Obama’s fault, right? Him and Hillary… and that Ben Gazi guy. That’s the latest spin > **[Obama administration let Russian lawyer who met Trump Jr. into US after visa...](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-administration-let-russian-lawyer-who-met-trump-jr-into-us-after-visa-block)** > > The Obama administration granted the Russian attorney who met with Donald Trump Jr. last June a special type of “parole” to be in the United States after she initially was denied a visa, Fox News has confirmed – though it remains unclear whether she... It goes something like – this lawyer was initially denied a visa but then granted one (apparently by Obama and Lynch personally or something…). It seems to me that the visa was not controversial, she needed to defend a client in an asset forfeiture case in court in NY. But then she overstayed the visa. So I guess the new angle is young naive Don Jr (fercrissakes the man is 39, not 19) was scammed by an illegal immigrant that Obama allowed into the country. I think this angle will backfire, i don’t see how attacking the trustworthiness of the person they met with will help them. But they’ve proven themselves to be idiots. And shortsighted idiots, at that. And as a hijack, if you want some good background on Magnitsky in particular and modern Russia in general, I suggest that you read Red Notice by the oft-cited Bill Browder. > **[Amazon.com: Red Notice: A True Story of High Finance, Murder, and One Man's...](https://www.amazon.com/Red-Notice-Finance-Murder-Justice/dp/1476755744)** > > Amazon.com: Red Notice: A True Story of High Finance, Murder, and One Man's Fight for Justice: 9781476755748: Browder, Bill: Books This book is one of about a dozen books that was instrumental in shaping my worldview and it is a must read for anyone that thinks Putin is anything other than a master criminal. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8085 "2017-07-14T16:31:12Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Yes this is the pit, but that steps over the line of bad taste IMHO. ☹ What? You never sang that song when you were little? ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8086 "2017-07-14T16:34:16Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > I also just learned that if you google that, one of the first hits is a site providing advice and instructions on suicide methods. ☹ If it’s the site I’m thinking of – “Lost All Hope” – every method’s page also provides a link to personal testimony about why suicide is a bad idea and resources for people that need help. It’s also very informative about other negatives related to suicide methods: what the people who find the body will see, what the chances of failure are, etc. (I’m sure there are other top hits that don’t provide that kind of stuff, but I think it is great that a person who nearly killed themself created a page, and that it shows up high in the Google rankings. People in crisis are much more likely to click a link with information than something that’s obviously just going to preach at them.) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8087 "2017-07-14T16:35:50Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Ooooh. Can we please spin this into a Vince Foster style, never ending conspiracy? > > What did Peter Smith know about Trump and the Russians? And, who commits suicide by “asphyxiation due to displacement of oxygen in confined space with helium”? I’ve certainly never heard of anyone doing that. And he left a note saying there was “NO FOUL PLAY WHATSOEVER”? That’s just the kind of thing professional killers would do to make you _think_ it was a suicide! > > More seriously, committing suicide by replacing the oxygen in a confined space with helium is something I’ve never heard of people doing. Is it common? Would you get one of those big helium tanks they use to inflate balloons, put a wet towel at the bottom of the closet door, and open the tank? I guess that would be fairly clean as far as suicides go. [When do we get to see the first cases of “accidental” polonium poisoning? Or mysterious car crashes?](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-diplomats-deaths-theories-putin-kremlin-a7602201.html) ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8088 "2017-07-14T16:53:41Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > [And now we have a body count](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/republican-donor-kills-himself-talking-021051687.html). [and they are already calling that a Clinton hit](https://www.wetheproudpatriots.com/2017/07/14/shocking-suicide-minnesota-hotel-room/)- since he was investigating/asking for the hacked emails. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8089 "2017-07-14T16:56:08Z")
> [@simster](#): > > and they are already calling that a Clinton hit - since he was investigating/asking for the hacked emails. He died after the election. At that point Clinton wouldn’t need to get rid of him, but the Trump Team might. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8090 "2017-07-14T17:00:30Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > If it’s the site I’m thinking of – “Lost All Hope” – every method’s page also provides a link to personal testimony about why suicide is a bad idea and resources for people that need help. It’s also very informative about other negatives related to suicide methods: what the people who find the body will see, what the chances of failure are, etc. > > (I’m sure there are other top hits that don’t provide that kind of stuff, but I think it is great that a person who nearly killed themself created a page, and that it shows up high in the Google rankings. People in crisis are much more likely to click a link with information than something that’s obviously just going to preach at them.) Fair enough. It was that site. I couldn’t get to it past the filter I’m behind at the moment, so I only saw a bit of it. I shouldn’t have assumed it was entirely pro-suicide. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8091 "2017-07-14T17:14:05Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > He died after the election. At that point Clinton wouldn’t need to get rid of him, but the Trump Team might. Eventually, she is going to\* kill us all.\* ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8092 "2017-07-14T17:25:37Z")
It’s another grand day in the annals of International Handshakes! > **[Trump Bids France Adieu With the Worst Handshake We've Ever Seen](https://jezebel.com/trump-bids-france-adieu-with-the-worst-handshake-weve-e-1796921994)** > > On Friday, Donald Trump, a man who may or may not have been the inspiration for Slender Man, bid a very uncomfortable farewell to the French president and first lady after a two-day visit to celebrate Bastille Day. What should have been a... ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8093 "2017-07-14T17:45:57Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > It’s another grand day in the annals of International Handshakes! > > [http://theslot.jezebel.com/trump-bids-france-adieu-with-the-worst-handshake-weve-e-1796921994](http://theslot.jezebel.com/trump-bids-france-adieu-with-the-worst-handshake-weve-e-1796921994) God, what a clusterfuck. CNN has a pretty amusing [second-by-second analysis](http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/14/politics/a-second-by-second-analysis-of-the-trump-macron-handshake/index.html). ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8094 "2017-07-14T18:17:50Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Over 12% of your last 500 posts (yes, I checked, and it took about 30 seconds) have been in the BBQ Pit – that’s over 60. > > Are you an idiot or a liar? Now, now, it’s just the President of the United States in disguise ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8095 "2017-07-14T18:23:31Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > [And now we have a body count](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/republican-donor-kills-himself-talking-021051687.html). The guy’s a Republican, he didn’t kill himself out of remorse for his actions during the election. He killed himself because he was at the Mayo Clinic and was dying. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8096 "2017-07-14T18:25:06Z")
Education Department spokesperson victim shames women who are raped. > **[Education Dept. official apologizes for comments on sexual assault](https://www.yahoo.com/news/doe-civil-rights-head-apologizes-comments-sexual-assault-accusations-144847171.html)** > > The Education Department’s top civil rights official has apologized for her characterization that 90 percent of campus sexual assault accusations investigated by the federal government under Title IX stem from drunken regret or the fallout of a... ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8097 "2017-07-14T18:46:49Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The guy’s a Republican, he didn’t kill himself out of remorse for his actions during the election. He killed himself because he was at the Mayo Clinic and was dying. Well sure - he found out what was going to happen to his Affordable Health Plan. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8098 "2017-07-14T18:57:00Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > We really need to find better creatures to describe Cheetoh. Donald Trump- The Evangelicals’ Coice. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8099 "2017-07-14T19:20:44Z")
I’m going to give it to him that this was a suicide. The man was 81, in poor health and obviously subjected to a lot of stress over the last year by being part of all this crap. After all, Roger Ailes died at 77 after being ousted from his network and being subject to a lot of lawsuits. That’s a lot of stress. I don’t think anyone thinks he was killed. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8100 "2017-07-14T19:23:53Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > I don’t think anyone thinks he was killed. Anyone outside of Alex Jones and his audience, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8101 "2017-07-14T19:34:16Z")
FTR, I was just kidding about the Vince Foster style conspiracy theory. Barring any other developments, I’m assuming he committed suicide because he was very sick. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8102 "2017-07-14T19:41:51Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Now, now, it’s just the President of the United States in disguise Well, he could, at least, try to use some sort of, you know, disguise. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2017, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8103 "2017-07-14T19:48:48Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Now, now, it’s just the President of the United States in disguise You joke, but I have seriously considered that the Republicans use him to test their talking points to see which ones have traction and which ones we just point and laugh at. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=404) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=406)