# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 407
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8124 "2017-07-15T03:14:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Over 12% of your last 500 posts (yes, I checked, and it took about 30 seconds) have been in the BBQ Pit – that’s over 60. > > Are you an idiot or a liar? He’s both, like his Golden Messiah. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8125 "2017-07-15T15:55:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Over 12% of your last 500 posts (yes, I checked, and it took about 30 seconds) have been in the BBQ Pit – that’s over 60. > > Are you an idiot or a liar? I suggest that we cleave to the Orthodox position that he is both fully idiot and fully liar, and shun heretical views that would elevate his idiot nature or his liar nature above the other. History suggests that that even an iota of such controversy would end badly. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8126 "2017-07-15T16:09:49Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > I suggest that we cleave to the Orthodox position that he is both fully idiot and fully liar, and shun heretical views that would elevate his idiot nature or his liar nature above the other. History suggests that that even an iota of such controversy would end badly. What works best is if we cease to acknowledge his existence. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8127 "2017-07-15T19:01:39Z")
Funny how over the past couple months David Brooks - when he’s one half of the Friday Night Mumblers on PBS Newshour - has been getting more and more pissed with президент Trump and the GOP and less and less inclined to turd-polish for these new powers that be. He had a relatively feisty rant on the Russian meddling and Senate health care bill yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8128 "2017-07-15T19:20:10Z")
Well, if the Republicans pass their No-Health Care bill _and_ pass their tax bill, I’m just waiting for the results to dawn on older Republican voters - their very base. The ‘Health’ bill has already been shown to lead to skyrocketing rates for Older americans. The Tax bill eliminates deductions for health insurance and medical expenses. And they also want to slash social security. But even if they don’t do that, the two above are quite the 1-2 punch to their base. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8129 "2017-07-15T19:23:19Z")
Yep. As I posted a while ago, sometimes a harsh object lesson is in order. It was pointed out that many innocent people (which I took to mean those who did not vote for this _opera buffa_ administration) would be hurt. Nevertheless… ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8130 "2017-07-15T19:26:31Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > Funny how over the past couple months David Brooks - when he’s one half of the Friday Night Mumblers on PBS Newshour - has been getting more and more pissed with президент Trump and the GOP and less and less inclined to turd-polish for these new powers that be. He had a relatively feisty rant on the Russian meddling and Senate health care bill yesterday. Oh, in the NY TIMES he’s still the obnoxious Brooksie of old. Did you see his Tuesday column about how everything is the fault of those elitist libruls and their fancy Italian lunchmeat? [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/opinion/its-not-the-fault-of-the-sandwich-shop-readers-debate-david-brookss-column.html?\_r=0](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/opinion/its-not-the-fault-of-the-sandwich-shop-readers-debate-david-brookss-column.html?_r=0) ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8131 "2017-07-15T19:51:35Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > Funny how over the past couple months David Brooks - when he’s one half of the Friday Night Mumblers on PBS Newshour - has been getting more and more pissed with президент Trump and the GOP and less and less inclined to turd-polish for these new powers that be. He had a relatively feisty rant on the Russian meddling and Senate health care bill yesterday. Brooks has been and still is the Pope of High Broderism. It was him and his “both sides do it” bullshit that paved the way for this GOP and for the Mango Mussolini. Desperately hedging his bets now isn’t admirable as much as it is pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8132 "2017-07-15T19:58:47Z")
[frustration is growing](http://www.pushtrumpoffacliffagain.com) > [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > Funny how over the past couple months David Brooks - when he’s one half of the Friday Night Mumblers on PBS Newshour - has been getting more and more pissed with президент Trump and the GOP … The correct spelling is «пре **ЦАР** дент». ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8133 "2017-07-15T20:21:45Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > The correct spelling is «пре **ЦАР** дент». I used [this](https://www.google.ca/search?q=russian+word+for+president&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=MXhqWe-LAcmc0gKC37AY) for my source. And under “six more translations”, I don’t see yours there, either. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8134 "2017-07-15T20:35:20Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > I used [this](https://www.google.ca/search?q=russian+word+for+president&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=MXhqWe-LAcmc0gKC37AY) for my source. > > And under “six more translations”, I don’t see yours there, either. It looks like it’s some sort of a joke. A pun perhaps. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8135 "2017-07-15T20:37:57Z")
> [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > I used [this](https://www.google.ca/search?q=russian+word+for+president&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=MXhqWe-LAcmc0gKC37AY) for my source. > > And under “six more translations”, I don’t see yours there, either. Well, right, because «президент» is not accurate with respect to cheetolini. The spelling for him embeds «цар» (“tsar”) in the middle, because that is what he thinks he should be. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8136 "2017-07-15T22:07:18Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Well, right, because «президент» is not accurate with respect to cheetolini. The spelling for him embeds «цар» (“tsar”) in the middle, because that is what he thinks he should be. Ah I see. (yup - that elucidation was certainly needed - I was wondering if there was some kind of whoosh goin on) You seem to know your Ruskie stuff, so the change in spelling is noted - преЦАРдент Trump it’ll be, then. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8137 "2017-07-15T22:33:01Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Well, right, because «президент» is not accurate with respect to cheetolini. The spelling for him embeds «цар» (“tsar”) in the middle, because that is what he thinks he should be. Drat. I was hoping it turned out to be “presidon’t”. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8138 "2017-07-15T22:47:28Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Oh, in the NY TIMES he’s still the obnoxious Brooksie of old. Did you see his Tuesday column about how everything is the fault of those elitist libruls and their fancy Italian lunchmeat? > > [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/opinion/its-not-the-fault-of-the-sandwich-shop-readers-debate-david-brookss-column.html?\_r=0](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/13/opinion/its-not-the-fault-of-the-sandwich-shop-readers-debate-david-brookss-column.html?_r=0) [My favorite response to that article.](https://twitter.com/BenMathisLilley/status/884774855991857152/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slate.com%2Fblogs%2Fthe_slatest%2F2017%2F07%2F11%2Fdavid_brooks_cites_foreign_ingredients_as_barrier_to_social_mobility.html) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8139 "2017-07-15T22:51:51Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Well, if the Republicans pass their No-Health Care bill _and_ pass their tax bill, I’m just waiting for the results to dawn on older Republican voters - their very base. > > The ‘Health’ bill has already been shown to lead to skyrocketing rates for Older americans. > > The Tax bill eliminates deductions for health insurance and medical expenses. > > And they also want to slash social security. But even if they don’t do that, the two above are quite the 1-2 punch to their base. It will all be Obama’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8140 "2017-07-15T23:02:07Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > It will all be Obama’s fault. Absolutely. The party of calling themselves the Party Of Personal Responsibility requires a fall guy to account for their lack of ability to accomplish promises. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8141 "2017-07-15T23:02:20Z")
The voter “fraud” commission got a lot of complaints from individual people about their fishing expedition for people’s voter information. So they thought it would be appropriate to publish the names, email addresses, and home phone and addresses of those people. > **[White House Publishes Names, Emails, Phone Numbers, Home Addresses of Critics](https://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/15/white_house_publishes_names_emails_phone_numbers_home_addresses_of_critics.html)** > > People who spoke up about their concerns over privacy suddenly found key private details, including their email and sometimes even home addresses, rele ... ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8142 "2017-07-15T23:06:34Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The voter “fraud” commission got a lot of complaints from individual people about their fishing expedition for people’s voter information. So they thought it would be appropriate to publish the names, email addresses, and home phone and addresses of those people. > [White House publishes names, emails, phone numbers, home addresses of critics.](http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/15/white_house_publishes_names_emails_phone_numbers_home_addresses_of_critics.html) Fucking bullies. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8143 "2017-07-15T23:13:00Z")
From Dr. David Gorski in [Science Based Medicine](https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/trumps-new-cdc-director-is-very-pro-vaccine-but-was-she-also-at-one-time-a-quack/) Good News > [@](#): > > On Friday, (7/7) Health and Human Services Secretary Dr. Tom Price announced the appointment of Dr. Brenda Fitzgerald to head the CDC. Reassuringly, her record as Georgia Public Health Commissioner was pro-vaccine and relatively non-ideological. Bad News > [@](#): > > Not so reassuringly, a news report yesterday found that before entering public service she was peddling anti-aging quackery at her private practice. Conclusion > [@](#): > > . . .I felt as though I had gotten whiplash from my turnabout on Dr. Fitzgerald. When I first learned of her impending appointment, I started out very relieved and happy at how pro-vaccine she is and how she seemed to hit all the right notes on public health, particularly the importance of early childhood reading. I was also relieved that she didn’t appear to be too dogmatic on culture war issues embraced by conservative Republicans that could interfere with her ability to serve as a science-based CDC director. Then I learned about her anti-aging fellowship and her previous medical practice offering typical dubious anti-aging treatments such as “bioidentical hormones,” detoxification, and supplements galore. Now I’m not so sure. . . .Even if Dr. Fitzgerald turns out to be fine from a scientific standpoint, though, I have no illusions about Trump and vaccine policy. As Dr. Paul Offit wrote a couple of weeks ago, Trump’s budget takes aim at critical public health funding. If it passes, there will be less money for the CDC to do its job, less money to distribute vaccines, less money to intervene in the case of public health threats, and in general, less resources to do its critical job. Whether Dr. Fitzgerald can or would oppose such budget cuts, we have no way of knowing. Why anyone who is serious about public health would want to run the CDC under such circumstances, I don’t know. Maybe she’s susceptible to the snake oil that Donald Trump and HHS Secretary Dr. Price sell. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=406) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=408)