# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 409
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8164 "2017-07-16T19:52:57Z")
The invisible wall construction contract will go to Trump’s family and cronies, and extra-judicial border enforcement will go to NRA Patriot Posses. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8165 "2017-07-16T19:55:24Z")
According to one of Trump’s lawyers, it’s Obama fault that Orange Junior had his meeting, because the Obama Secret Service shouldn’t have let them into the country. > **[Trump Lawyer Blames Secret Service For Not Preemptively Stopping Jr.’s Meeting](https://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-lawyer-jay-sekulow-blames-secret-service)** > > Jay Sekulow, a member of President Donald Trump's legal team, on Sunday aired a new defense for Donald Trump Jr.'s meeting with a Russian lawyer who promised him damaging information on Hillary… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8166 "2017-07-16T20:22:47Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > They will be _ **25 kilo** _ bags. Good thing their calves are like canteloupes. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8167 "2017-07-16T20:23:05Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > I’ve heard that two builders have offered to build Emperor Donald a low-cost wall that is so transparent it will be invisible to all those who are unfit for their positions, stupid, or incompetent. They displayed to Emperor Donald a scale model of how it would look, made out of the actual super hi-tech material they would be using to build it. “I love it! It’s beautiful!”, proclaimed the Emperor. _applauds_ Very nice. (And not at all unlikely.) ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8168 "2017-07-16T20:49:29Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Has he considered that this might attract hordes of drug addicts who will loiter along the approximately 2,000-mile border wall just waiting for sacks of drugs to come flying over? Hmmm?? Sure, out in the hundreds upon hundreds of miles of desert this will be no problem, as they’ll probably die of thirst or heat stroke, but what about the loiterers in downtown El Paso and Laredo. They’ll create a huge traffic jam, lying around in drug-induced stupors. But noooo, Trump never thinks ahead to the consequences of his ideas and pronouncements. ^^^^ said like a boss! 😃 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8169 "2017-07-16T20:50:37Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > I’ve heard that two builders have offered to build Emperor Donald a low-cost wall that is so transparent it will be invisible to all those who are unfit for their positions, stupid, or incompetent. They displayed to Emperor Donald a scale model of how it would look, made out of the actual super hi-tech material they would be using to build it. “I love it! It’s beautiful!”, proclaimed the Emperor. I wonder if they’re considering making his new clothes out of the same material? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8170 "2017-07-16T20:52:06Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Trump is such an idiot. They’re not going to be heaving 60 lb bags of drugs over a 15 foot wall. > > They will be _ **25 kilo** _ bags. Good point. But wouldn’t it be easier to just dig a hole and pass the stuff under the wall? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8171 "2017-07-16T20:58:45Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I wonder if they’re considering making his new clothes out of the same material? 😉 Are you trying to trigger a mass suicide? 21 Ack-ack salute. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8172 "2017-07-16T22:28:48Z")
> [@Melcalc](#): > > Trump calls for transparent wall, so that we can see people who throw sacks of heroin over the wall. > [http://crooksandliars.com/2017/07/trump-wants-see-through-border-wall-so](http://crooksandliars.com/2017/07/trump-wants-see-through-border-wall-so) …and with this proclamation, the Trump administration can scale back the wall promises to a much more affordable _ **fence** _: which can be built for substantially less, which will then be declared a \*\*huge \*\*victory. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8173 "2017-07-16T23:03:18Z")
“We promise there will be a border on the map”. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8174 "2017-07-16T23:08:15Z")
Someone should make an updated book of fables and fairy tales set in the modern world, with Trump cast in the role of each tale’s villain and/or fool. Featuring _Beauty and the Beast_, _The Ass in the Lion’s Skin_, _Pinocchio_, _Thumbelina_ (tiny hands) and more… [This would be the perfect cover](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvRbNWQUsAAHHTH.jpg) [NSFW, or more generally]. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8175 "2017-07-16T23:19:42Z")
Trump’s lawyer was on CNN today pointing out that the Secret Service had vetted the Russian-meeting participants. In the past hour or so, the Secret Service has issued a statement saying no, they didn’t vet anyone, that it wasn’t their job. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2017, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8176 "2017-07-16T23:29:34Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Trump’s lawyer was on CNN today pointing out that the Secret Service had vetted the Russian-meeting participants. In the past hour or so, the Secret Service has issued a statement saying no, they didn’t vet anyone, **that it wasn’t their job.** I see now they’re saying Trump Jr. was not a protectee at that time and so it was not their job then to vet anyone. It may be their job once someone is a protectee. Still directly contradicting the Oaf-in-Chief’s lawyer. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8177 "2017-07-17T00:03:11Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I see now they’re saying Trump Jr. was not a protectee at that time and so it was not their job then to vet anyone. It may be their job once someone is a protectee. Still directly contradicting the Oaf-in-Chief’s lawyer. Yeah, they wouldn’t have been in \*Junior’s \*office if it weren’t for that pesky Secret Service vetting. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8178 "2017-07-17T00:19:39Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Trump’s lawyer was on CNN today pointing out that the Secret Service had vetted the Russian-meeting participants. In the past hour or so, the Secret Service has issued a statement saying no, they didn’t vet anyone, that it wasn’t their job. Not sure how many lawyers Trump has, but a Trump lawyer was on Meet The Press today making it quite clear that he represented Trump and not Trump Jr. ---
**Author:** ![Kyrie\_Eleison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kyrie_eleison/32/7682_2.png) [@Kyrie\_Eleison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyrie_Eleison)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8179 "2017-07-17T00:21:36Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I see now they’re saying Trump Jr. was not a protectee at that time and so it was not their job then to vet anyone. It may be their job once someone is a protectee. Still directly contradicting the Oaf-in-Chief’s lawyer. Well, we should be fair. It’s possible that both parties are telling the truth. The Secret Service has released a statement saying that they would not have vetted people meeting with Trump, Jr. because he was not under their protection at that time. However, their statement doesn’t seem to rule out the possibility that they vetted the meeting’s attendees for some other reason. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8180 "2017-07-17T00:37:58Z")
> [@thehill.com](#): > > The Secret Service responded on Sunday to President Trump’s personal lawyer Jay Sekulow’s claim that Donald Trump Jr.’s meeting with a Russian lawyer during the campaign would not have happened if the Secret Service had considered it “nefarious“If this was nefarious, why’d the Secret Service allow these people in?”… "Donald Trump, Jr. was not a protectee of the USSS in June, 2016. Thus we would not have screened anyone he was meeting with at that time,” Secret Service spokesman Mason Brayman said in a statement to Reuters on Sunday. [http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/342264-secret-service-responds-to-trump-lawyer-russia-meeting-not](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/342264-secret-service-responds-to-trump-lawyer-russia-meeting-not) I am curious why the Secret Service’s response is worded in such a lawyerly way. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8181 "2017-07-17T00:40:16Z")
> [@Kyrie\_Eleison](#): > > Well, we should be fair. It’s possible that both parties are telling the truth. > > The Secret Service has released a statement saying that they would not have vetted people meeting with Trump, Jr. because he was not under their protection at that time. However, their statement doesn’t seem to rule out the possibility that they vetted the meeting’s attendees for some other reason. I caught that, too, and made the same point in another thread. It _is_ a very narrow way to put it. And I am pretty sure I know how Secret Service people testify when placed under oath by a special counsel. Wouldn’t it be richly ironic if Trump’s own lawyer managed to put him in that meeting due to his own carelessness and inexperience in dealing with matters at this level? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8182 "2017-07-17T00:46:57Z")
I saw it as a pretty straight forward statement that would cut off any of this other bullshit. He wasn’t under Secret Service protection. So no, they didn’t vet anyone, they were not there, they would not have had any reason to be involved with the meeting or clear anyone, period. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8183 "2017-07-17T00:56:15Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > I saw it as a pretty straight forward statement that would cut off any of this other bullshit. He wasn’t under Secret Service protection. So no, they didn’t vet anyone, they were not there, they would not have had any reason to be involved with the meeting or clear anyone, period. Trump, Sr. had Secret Service protection at the time. Wouldn’t the Secret Service screen everyone going into Trump Tower? Would they keep records of who went in? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=408) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=410)