# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 411
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8204 "2017-07-17T06:47:37Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > That was my first thought. I don’t think that they’re concerned with anything except the physical security.of their protectees. Exactly. The Secret Service is not a counterintelligence agency. They deal with assassins, not spies. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8205 "2017-07-17T10:13:18Z")
> [@Kyrie\_Eleison](#): > > Well, we should be fair. It’s possible that both parties are telling the truth. > > The Secret Service has released a statement saying that they would not have vetted people meeting with Trump, Jr. because he was not under their protection at that time. However, their statement doesn’t seem to rule out the possibility that they vetted the meeting’s attendees for some other reason. And someone can pass vetting for one thing and not pass it for something else. It’s not as if “but I was allowed to bring my teenaged child to my cousin’s wedding!” automatically qualifies said teenager to attend every business meeting their parents do. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8206 "2017-07-17T12:55:04Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > He’ll just say that he built an invisible wall. That’ll satisfy his base without having to spend a penny. Saving thousands of lives since people won’t be clobbered by 60lb sacks of drugs. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8207 "2017-07-17T13:02:00Z")
> [@Kyrie\_Eleison](#): > > The Secret Service has released a statement saying that they would not have vetted people meeting with Trump, Jr. because he was not under their protection at that time. However, their statement doesn’t seem to rule out the possibility that they vetted the meeting’s attendees for some other reason. It does seem to increase the probability that the Trumps are simply impetuously lying to cover themselves, like six year olds caught with their hands in the cookie jar. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8208 "2017-07-17T13:06:15Z")
I just don’t know what to think anymore. I’m stunned, truly stunned that that asshole has any support at all. I am very disappointed with my country. I wouldn’t allow that asshole to pet my dog. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8209 "2017-07-17T13:12:20Z")
The election did make it clear that we aren’t really the people I’d always thought us to be. Like you, I still haven’t quite adjusted to the realization. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8210 "2017-07-17T13:34:02Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The election did make it clear that we aren’t really the people I’d always thought us to be. Like you, I still haven’t quite adjusted to the realization. We should have known the Trump base was out there, but the size and strength of that base is truly demoralizing. That the Republican party can keep getting so, so many to keep voting against their own self-interests shows how much better at marketing they are as opposed to the Democratic Party. While I still consider myself an independent, the current state of the RP makes it very hard for me to consider voting for one (and being a NYC resident, voting R is really nothing more than a protest vote against a D I might not like). ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8211 "2017-07-17T14:08:49Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > We should have known the Trump base was out there, but the size and strength of that base is truly demoralizing. That the Republican party can keep getting so, so many to keep voting against their own self-interests shows how much better at marketing they are as opposed to the Democratic Party. It even goes beyond voting against their own best interest. It’s voting against their own best interest AND the best interest of society. The very rich have effectively convinced millions of people to vote in \*their \*(the very rich’s) best interest, everyone else be damned. Plenty of lefties on the wealthier end of the spectrum vote against their own best interest, but they do so with the eye on lifting up the other boats in the harbor. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8212 "2017-07-17T14:32:16Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Plenty of lefties on the wealthier end of the spectrum vote against their own best interest, but they do so with the eye on lifting up the other boats in the harbor. Some, like Warren Buffett and Mark Cuban, would say they \*are \*working in their own long-term personal best interests, since they can best grow their own wealth by having a growing, healthy economy in a fairer society to create that wealth. Only the short-sighted would see getting wealthier by taking from the less-advantaged as a good practice. The amazing thing to me has been how well the Republicans have done at convincing so many that the short-sighted are on their side, that they need their taxes cut some more so they be motivated to create jobs, that any claim the 99% may have to a share is an economy-crippling burden, etc. Trump was right to say “I love the poorly educated”. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8213 "2017-07-17T14:46:18Z")
I’m much more concernced with the current level of distrust in the system itself - ‘fake news’ ‘shadow government’ the president himself not trusting his own agencies. now get serious traction - its well beyond a healthy skepticism or mistrust (which can be used to keep things in check) - but this admin pushes that everyone is against them - it’s cult like. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8214 "2017-07-17T14:53:46Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Only the short-sighted would see getting wealthier by taking from the less-advantaged as a good practice. They sure are myopic. Hopefully, people will see things more clearly in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8215 "2017-07-17T15:13:22Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > They sure are myopic. Hopefully, people will see things more clearly in 2020. over the past several election cycles, there have always been people pushing that the sitting president would find a way to suspend elections, etc. THis is the first time I give some level of credence to the theory. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8216 "2017-07-17T15:25:19Z")
> [@simster](#): > > over the past several election cycles, there have always been people pushing that the sitting president would find a way to suspend elections, etc. > > THis is the first time I give some level of credence to the theory. Oh, I was just making [a joke for the nearsighted dopers](http://www.allaboutvision.com/eye-exam/2020-vision.htm). I was hoping someone would say “I see what you did there”, but I was probably targeting the wrong crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8217 "2017-07-17T15:33:41Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Oh, I was just making [a joke for the nearsighted dopers](http://www.allaboutvision.com/eye-exam/2020-vision.htm). I was hoping someone would say “I see what you did there”, but I was probably targeting the wrong crowd. I saw what you did (through my Coke bottle specs) and chuckled. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8218 "2017-07-17T15:34:57Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Oh, I was just making [a joke for the nearsighted dopers](http://www.allaboutvision.com/eye-exam/2020-vision.htm). I was hoping someone would say “I see what you did there”, but I was probably targeting the wrong crowd. I see it now - but i’m still clearly a bit unfocused. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8219 "2017-07-17T15:36:31Z")
> [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](#): > > Oh, I was just making [a joke for the nearsighted dopers](http://www.allaboutvision.com/eye-exam/2020-vision.htm). I was hoping someone would say “I see what you did there”, but I was probably targeting the wrong crowd. I saw what you did there. But then, I’m far sighted. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8220 "2017-07-17T15:41:21Z")
For anyone who feels like singing “Won’t Get Fooled Again”, I got some news - yes, you darn well will. And even if you don’t, enough others will to keep you from mattering. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8221 "2017-07-17T16:01:11Z")
The Outsourcer-In Chief wants to push [“Made In America” Week](http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/white-house-planning-made-america-week-48667131) > [@](#): > > Plagued by daily revelations related to the escalating Russia investigations, the White House is dubbing the coming week “Made in America week” as it tries to focus on issues that matter to the president’s base. > > Speaking to reporters at a hotel near President Donald Trump’s golf course in Bedminster, New Jersey, White House director of media affairs Helen Aguirre Ferre said Sunday that the White House will be hosting a “Made in America” product showcase Monday featuring products from all 50 states. > > The president also is expected to issue a proclamation Wednesday on the importance of making goods in America, and will travel to Virginia on Saturday for the commissioning of the USS Gerald R. Ford, a new aircraft carrier. The White House refused to say if Trump would start making his products in this country. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8222 "2017-07-17T16:01:38Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > He’ll just say that he built an invisible wall. That’ll satisfy his base without having to spend a penny. Indeed, and the drug smugglers don’t dare to throw those 60 lb sacks over it because they won’t see where and how high the wall is. If they throw too soon or too low the sack may bounce and hit their own head. It’s genius, I’ll tell ya. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8223 "2017-07-17T16:05:10Z")
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