# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 413
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2017, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8244 "2017-07-18T18:44:04Z")
The eighth person at Orange Junior’s collusion meeting has been identified. He’s Ike Kaveladze, an American citizen of Azerbaijani/Russian descent who’s a Vice President of Trump buddy Aras Agalarov’s Crocus Group, the real estate development company. > **[8th person at Trump Tower meeting identified | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/eighth-man-trump-tower-meeting-russia/index.html?adkey=bn)** > > The eighth person who attended the June 2016 meeting with Donald Trump Jr. at Trump Tower is a senior vice president at the company founded by the Russian oligarch who initiated the meeting, CNN has learned. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2017, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8245 "2017-07-18T19:32:07Z")
Trump has washed his hands on healthcare takeaway and is just going to let the Democrats take the blame for the whole thing. > **[Trump's latest health care strategy: Let Obamacare fail](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/18/trumps-latest-health-care-strategy-let-obamacare-fail/487187001/)** > > "We're not going to own it – I'm not going to own it – I can tell you the Republicans are not going to own it," Trump said. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8246 "2017-07-18T19:45:35Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Rex Tillerson is closing the State Departmen’s war crimes office. > [Tillerson to Shutter State Department War Crimes Office – Foreign Policy](http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/17/tillerson-to-shutter-state-department-war-crimes-office/)? The current State Department probably doesn’t _literally_ have rolling tumbleweeds, bleached cattle skulls and the lonely howl of a distant coyote, but damn if that isn’t the image I conjure up. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8247 "2017-07-18T19:50:29Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Trump has washed his hands on healthcare takeaway and is just going to let the Democrats take the blame for the whole thing. > [Trump's latest health care strategy: Let Obamacare fail](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/18/trumps-latest-health-care-strategy-let-obamacare-fail/487187001/) I’ve tried nothing, and I’m all out of ideas! ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2017, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8248 "2017-07-18T19:54:16Z")
Yeah, I’ve already seen one tragically right wing retard saying that this is all the Democrat’s fault for refusing to compromise. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2017, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8249 "2017-07-18T19:59:23Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Yeah, I’ve already seen one tragically right wing retard saying that this is all the Democrat’s fault for refusing to compromise. :rolleyes: Well you have to understand that Republicans use a very different and definitely non-standard definition of compromise which is: to give the Republicans everything they ask for regardless of whether any invitation to participate in the process was extended ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2017, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8250 "2017-07-18T20:07:54Z")
Well right. Tell the Democrats that they aren’t welcome to the negotiations or allowed to have any input on the bill, fail to get every member of your own side to vote on it (when you have a very narrow majority) and then blame the people you refused to talk to for it’s failure. De…rp. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8251 "2017-07-18T20:10:51Z")
Party of personal responsibility was it? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8252 "2017-07-18T20:22:37Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Party of personal responsibility was it? Yep, some other person was responsible. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8253 "2017-07-18T20:41:33Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Yeah, I’ve already seen one tragically right wing retard saying that this is all the Democrat’s fault for refusing to compromise. :rolleyes: So he’s saying that it was the Democrats that stopped this extremely unpopular bill and helped millions of people and probably saved thousands of lives ? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8254 "2017-07-18T20:42:39Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Well you have to understand that Republicans use a very different and definitely non-standard definition of compromise which is: to give the Republicans everything they ask for regardless of whether any invitation to participate in the process was extended … and if you give them everything they ask for, then clearly they must reject that, since they should have asked for more! ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2017, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8255 "2017-07-18T21:09:45Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Bunch of scumbags. > Some of the responses were priceless though. > [Funny Emails Sent to Kobach’s Election-Integrity Commission](http://nymag.com/selectall/2017/07/funny-emails-sent-to-kobachs-election-integrity-commission.html) > [http://aplus.com/a/voter-fraud-commission-responses-trump?no\_monetization=true](http://aplus.com/a/voter-fraud-commission-responses-trump?no_monetization=true) I liked the one that included: > [@](#): > > …what you need is to let anyone vote, but then you do the counting. It has worked every time in Zimbabwe and elsewhere. And, I’m sure that President Trump picked up a few pointers on elections when he visited Saudi Arabia, like there’s no need for an election to be king. I am concerned that, as President Trump told us (and the media would not), 3 to 5 million illegals voted last year, and I am afraid they will do so again on America’s Got Talent. > > —A Concerned Voter ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8256 "2017-07-19T02:02:23Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The eighth person at Orange Junior’s collusion meeting has been identified. He’s Ike Kaveladze, an American citizen of Azerbaijani/Russian descent who’s a Vice President of Trump buddy Aras Agalarov’s Crocus Group, the real estate development company. > [http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/eighth-man-trump-tower-meeting-russia/index.html?adkey=bn](http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/eighth-man-trump-tower-meeting-russia/index.html?adkey=bn) Combine the penultimate paragraph of that article with [what this article says about Rinat Akhmetshin](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/eighth-person-in-trump-tower-meeting-is-identified/2017/07/18/e971234a-6bce-11e7-9c15-177740635e83_story.html?utm_term=.cfdf381aad46) and you get offering to damage the DNC to get Big Daddy elected so he can repeal the Magnitsky Act. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8257 "2017-07-19T04:21:41Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Plenty of lefties on the wealthier end of the spectrum vote against their own best interest, but they do so with the eye on lifting up the other boats in the harbor. UHC isn’t what one could call a leftist invention, despite American beliefs to the contrary; countries that started implementing it did so after some industrialists had noticed that having a healthy workforce required some up-front costs but paid back a lot more (that is, those companies which provided adequate medical care and made sure their people could eat properly had less absenteeism, less people leaving without a fare-thee-ill, etc.). That’s one of many examples where grabbing one’s money pouch is actually a bad long-term strategy. Maybe those wealthy lefties are the kind of people who can think beyond the next five minutes, akin to those industrialists of yore. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8258 "2017-07-19T06:49:26Z")
The Pentagon’s second highest general warns against killer robots. > **[US general warns of out-of-control killer robots | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/paul-selva-gary-peters-autonomous-weapons-killer-robots/index.html)** > > America's second-highest ranking military officer, Gen. Paul Selva, warned Tuesday of "a set of robots that we don't know how to control." ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8259 "2017-07-19T07:36:26Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The Pentagon’s second highest general warns against killer robots. > [http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/paul-selva-gary-peters-autonomous-weapons-killer-robots/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/paul-selva-gary-peters-autonomous-weapons-killer-robots/index.html) He was nominated to his current position by Obama and the statement was in regards to a question about whether drones should be allowed to kill without human input, so I don’t think we can pin this one on Loser Donald. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8260 "2017-07-19T08:48:20Z")
This is posited ‘somewhat’ tongue in cheek, but maybe not? How long until the US is classified as a ‘Rogue State’? > [@](#): > > A common presumption applied to rogue states is that they do not necessarily behave rationally or in their own best interests. In political theory it is generally believed that a stable nation, ruled by a leadership that is subject to broad scrutiny (though not necessarily democratic scrutiny), will tend to act in its own best interests and will not take actions that are directly contrary to its own interests, particularly not to its own survival. Rogue states, however, may not be subject to this assumption and, as such, relations with them may be more complicated and unpredictable Cite per Wiki. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8261 "2017-07-19T13:04:22Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The Pentagon’s second highest general warns against killer robots. > [http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/paul-selva-gary-peters-autonomous-weapons-killer-robots/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/paul-selva-gary-peters-autonomous-weapons-killer-robots/index.html) As a maker of killer robots, I’m appalled! But seriously, I do agree with him but maybe this isn’t the best place for the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8262 "2017-07-19T15:48:26Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The Pentagon’s second highest general warns against killer robots. > [http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/paul-selva-gary-peters-autonomous-weapons-killer-robots/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/paul-selva-gary-peters-autonomous-weapons-killer-robots/index.html) I’m not too worried. Eventually the stress of the job will get to them and they’ll [destroy themselves.](https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2017/7/17/15986042/dc-security-robot-k5-falls-into-water) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/8263 "2017-07-19T17:27:11Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > As a maker of killer robots, I’m appalled! Robots don’t kill people. People kill people. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=412) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=414)