# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 453
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9044 "2017-07-31T23:13:14Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > We’ll all realize how competent Trump is by year’s end says Scott Adams. > [Or just any minute after that] > > By year’s end we’ll recognize that this hasn’t been a colossal clusterfuck. > We’ll realize that Trump actually is competent. > But we won’t like it. > > I’ve been waiting to hear when we would reach the stage where we recognize Trump’s competence. > > I wonder if Adams’ll start pushing the recognition of Trump’s competence start date out in six month increments like back when we were waiting for stability in Iraq? What does Adams say about Trump’s competence in “hiring only the best people”? It seems he’s getting a lot of practice. To paraphrase some quotes from last night’s Game of Thrones: Jaime: “There are lessons to be learned in failure.” Olenna: “You must be very wise by now.” On second thought, Trump’s too stupid to learn any wisdom. ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9045 "2017-07-31T23:15:40Z")
Haven’t watched much Sarah Huckabee Sanders and after today I don’t think I’ll waste my time. A reporter asked her about Trump tweeting today that there’s no chaos in the White House, and how that squares with the past week and a half. Her reply was: Like I’ve said before, if you want to see chaos come to my house with 3 pre school children; this doesn’t hold a candle to that. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9046 "2017-07-31T23:17:53Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > He’ll fire Kelly first, rather than give up his Tweets. I would like to see a video of Kelly barging into the Presidential Bathroom at 6:00 am, confronting The Donald on His Throne, ripping the iPhone out of Trump’s tiny hands, and stomping it to pieces on the tile floor. He then places a finger on the bridge of Trump’s nose, pushes Donald’s head back, and says (in his best Robert Shaw voice), “Ya folla?” With a snappy about-face, he slams the door on his way out. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9047 "2017-07-31T23:23:15Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m guessing the average Trump voter would ask “Why? Did something happen?” > > My belief is that the majority of people who voted for Trump are the same people that don’t pay attention to the news or politics or what’s going on in the world. A few months ago work people gathered at a bar after work. One of the girls who showed up (Trump voter) flat out started asking people who they voted for. After a guy proudly stated “Trump”, they both looked at me and asked who I voted for. (I thought civilized people didn’t ask such questions, but as I’ve mentioned, these were Trump voters.) This was on the very day that Trump was first smacked down by the courts over his travel ban decree. I answered that I voted for the only person qualified to hold the office, and the guy looked at me and said: Trump? No, Hillary Clinton, I said. As they looked at me I asked them if they knew what happened in the courts that day. Neither of them knew jack fucking shit about jack fucking shit. Trump voters. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9048 "2017-07-31T23:40:02Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > We’ll all realize how competent Trump is by year’s end says Scott Adams. > [Or just any minute after that] > > By year’s end we’ll recognize that this hasn’t been a colossal clusterfuck. > We’ll realize that Trump actually is competent. > But we won’t like it. Trump is doing exactly the job he was hired to do: make America irrelevant and weak. I call it the Independence Day phenomenon. Now that’s a cringeworthy movie on many levels but can you imagine anyone proposing, today, a movie where the world looks to the U.S. for leadership of any kind? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9049 "2017-07-31T23:51:04Z")
> [@Barbarian](#): > > Trump is doing exactly the job he was hired to do: make America irrelevant and weak. > > I call it the Independence Day phenomenon. Now that’s a cringeworthy movie on many levels but can you imagine anyone proposing, today, a movie where the world looks to the U.S. for leadership of any kind? That’s what PUTIN hired him to do. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9050 "2017-07-31T23:51:18Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I’m wondering why I should give a shit about the opinion of a guy who draws cartoons. You don’t have to. He gets interviewed now and again because he’s already famous and he’s a vocal proponent for the Trump’s a 3D chess master. The 3D chess master theme is an argument that comforts some Trumpco customers. Helps them keep the faith. So, the answer is, “The same reason you give a shit about posting on the interwebz—beats tv.” ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9051 "2017-07-31T23:52:35Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I would like to see a video of Kelly barging into the Presidential Bathroom at 6:00 am, confronting The Donald on His Throne, ripping the iPhone out of Trump’s tiny hands, and stomping it to pieces on the tile floor. He then places a finger on the bridge of Trump’s nose, pushes Donald’s head back, and says (in his best Robert Shaw voice), “Ya folla?” With a snappy about-face, he slams the door on his way out. I’d pay good money to see that, and I’d be buying Kelly ALL his drinks for the next fucking week. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9052 "2017-07-31T23:53:45Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > You don’t have to. > > He gets interviewed now and again because he’s already famous and he’s a vocal proponent for the Trump’s a 3D chess master. > > The 3D chess master theme is an argument that comforts some Trumpco customers. > Helps them keep the faith. > > So, the answer is, “The same reason you give a shit about posting on the interwebz—beats tv.” Well that’s all true - ALL of it 😃 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2017, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9053 "2017-07-31T23:58:03Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > I’d pay good money to see that, and I’d be buying Kelly ALL his drinks for the next fucking week. Only if he gave the Cheeto a swirly before he stomped out. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9054 "2017-08-01T00:21:54Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > What does Adams say about Trump’s competence in “hiring only the best people”? > > It seems he’s getting a lot of practice. To paraphrase some quotes from last night’s Game of Thrones: > > Jaime: “There are lessons to be learned in failure.” > > Olenna: “You must be very wise by now.” > > On second thought, Trump’s too stupid to learn any wisdom. Adams controls the format and pontificates only on what he chooses. There’re a number of questions which spring to mind when I check in on him. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9055 "2017-08-01T00:27:52Z")
[Per the Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/trump-dictated-sons-misleading-statement-on-meeting-with-russian-lawyer/2017/07/31/04c94f96-73ae-11e7-8f39-eeb7d3a2d304_story.html), Trump dictated Trump Jr’s misleading initial statement on Jr’s meeting with Russian lawyer. > [@Washington Post](#): > > On the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in Germany last month,President Trump’s advisers discussed how to respond to a new revelationthat Trump’s oldest son had met with a Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign — a disclosure the advisers knew carried political and potentially legal peril. > The strategy, the advisers agreed, should be for Donald Trump Jr. to release a statement to get ahead of the story. They wanted to be truthful, so their account couldn’t be repudiated later if the full details emerged. > But within hours, at the president’s direction, the plan changed. > Flying home from Germany on July 8 aboard Air Force One, Trump personally dictated a statement in which Trump Jr. said that he and the Russian lawyer had “primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children” when they met in June 2016, according to multiple people with knowledge of the deliberations. The statement, issued to the New York Times as it prepared an article, emphasized that the subject of the meeting was “not a campaign issue at the time.” > > The claims were later shown to be misleading. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9056 "2017-08-01T00:39:45Z")
He also said he and Putin talked about adoption during the unscheduled and unsupervised second meeting at the G20 dinner. Is that the go-to lie when they get caught talking to Russians? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9057 "2017-08-01T00:49:45Z")
“Adoption” is their code word for “traitorous activities.” ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9058 "2017-08-01T00:53:45Z")
Russians ‘adopting’ sensitive information from Trump. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9059 "2017-08-01T00:58:38Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Trump’s heard Abe is doing great things. It’s very interesting that Trump was so surprised to learn Lincoln was a Republican. Not the sheer ignorance of this — we’ve always known the short-fingered con-man was a baboon intellectually. But the surprise reflects the fact that he knows it is the modern _Democratic_ Party and _not_ the GOP which is noted for civil rights, human compassion, basic intelligence, etc. It’s only with that knowledge that the Lincoln==Gop fact becomes “surprising.” ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9060 "2017-08-01T01:08:54Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > **Thank you, yes, I did see your thread on the subject**. I commented there, too. I remember discussing it previously but wouldn’t have remembered where to find the thread on a bet. 🙂 > > I believe it’s so important for people to be aware of this stuff. **I hope you don’t mind I posted about it again in a Pit thread without referencing your prior thread** on the subject. > [@Eddie The Horrible](#): > > **Hey quite the opposite - all good**. If anything this should be discussed more in the (right kind of?) media a lot more often. I’m guessing Fox wouldn’t cover such a story. Would/have they? > **Meanwhile I hope you don’t mind that I stupidly overloooked that you had posted** in that thread.😛 > [@Aspenglow](#): > > **Not at all. 🙂** Believe me, I understand the challenge to keep track of threads and who posts where. **I appreciate that you intended only to draw my attention to the thread in case I had missed it.** Look, you two, you’re getting on my nerves. Don’t you realise where you are? In the fuckin’ Pit! :mad: What’s with this “hope you don’t mind” “quite the opposite - all good” crap! You going to talk like that, get to snooty Great Debates, or even middle-brow MPSIMS. :rolleyes: You stay here, we want to see anger! venom!! flecks of spittle dangling from your keyboard!!! :mad::mad::mad: And of course, some “fuck-wit” catcalling!!! Start channelling the Mooch, not fuckin’ Mr Rogers. 🆒 Whew. I feel better. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9061 "2017-08-01T01:21:46Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Look, you two, you’re getting on my nerves. Don’t you realise where you are? In the fuckin’ Pit! :mad: > > What’s with this “hope you don’t mind” “quite the opposite - all good” crap! You going to talk like that, get to snooty Great Debates, or even middle-brow MPSIMS. :rolleyes: > > You stay here, we want to see anger! venom!! flecks of spittle dangling from your keyboard!!! :mad::mad::mad: > > And of course, some “fuck-wit” catcalling!!! Start channelling the Mooch, not fuckin’ Mr Rogers. 🆒 > > Whew. I feel better. > > 😛 I’m really surprised you didn’t say sorry at the end, eh? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9062 "2017-08-01T01:26:56Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > “Adoption” is their code word for “traitorous activities.” “Adoption” is their codeword for the Magnitsky Act. Saying that they were discussing adoption is kinda sorta true if you squint and look at it from the right angle, but it’s actually a misleading way of describing discussion of the Magnitsky Act. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2017, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9063 "2017-08-01T01:32:38Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > “Adoption” is their code word for “traitorous activities.” No. It’s just like when Russia adopted Crimea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=452) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=454)