# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 480
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2017, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9584 "2017-08-07T23:29:31Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Can ZPG Zealot’s well-established sexism be taken to another thread? Yes, she believes in segregating the sexes and slut-shaming women who do not abide by her choices. No, she won’t make any more sense no matter how much you ask. Sorry. I forgot. :o ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2017, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9585 "2017-08-07T23:31:19Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > It’s a view to have, but it is far from legitimate. I meant to be against it is legitimate. (For me, I’m asexual, so I have no personal frame of reference for how normal sexuality works. I can only go by what other people say. And they all say different things, so I’ve decided to have no opinion). ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2017, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9586 "2017-08-07T23:57:14Z")
I’m not sure why you edited my post (which as you may know is against the rules, here): > [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Sherrerd > > It’s not my place to condemn anyone’s religious practice, but: how about self-control? You know, instead of declaring one gender to be the and using that highly-questionable excuse to restrict their opportunities? > > > > On the other hand, it’s a whiz-bang solution to the problem of having to compete fairly with 100% of the species: Just cut that number in half! Problem solved! > > Who said anything about one gender? 😕 “Men shouldn’t be alone with women” = “Women shouldn’t be alone with men”. It’s the same thing. Feel free to be against declaring _both_ genders to be a “source of temptation”; it’s a legitimate view to have. But I don’t see how it says anything about women that it doesn’t say about men. Below is the post you quoted, with the part you removed now shown in red: > [@Sherrerd](#): > > It’s not my place to condemn anyone’s religious practice, but: how about self-control? You know, instead of declaring one gender to be the **source of temptation** and using that highly-questionable excuse to restrict their opportunities? > > On the other hand, it’s a whiz-bang solution to the problem of having to **compete fairly with 100% of the species** : Just cut that number in half! Problem solved! Maybe when you wanted to quote that part you mistakenly used ‘ctrl X’ instead of ‘ctrl C’–in which case it wasn’t deliberate. Thought I’d mention it, though, since your altering my quote did change its meaning. Getting beyond that, and to address the point you made in your reply: it’s actually not “the same thing” because the practices we’re talking about—from Pence’s rules about how he’ll interact with women to the institutional segregation and restrictions of purdah—do _not_ apply equally to males and to females. The constraints and limitations impede or prevent opportunities for females–not for males. So, not the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malleus_incus_stapes/32/3293_2.png) [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malleus_Incus_Stapes)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9587 "2017-08-08T00:46:17Z")
Whoops. You’re right, I musta used X instead of C. Sorry about that. And I’m literally leaving town early tomorrow morning and I won’t be back until next week- can you send me a PM reminding me to continue this conversation then? Because there’s some things I still don’t understand, but I don’t really have time. (I mean, unless I use my phone, but I hate having typing on a touchscreen. Seriously. \*&^% touchscreens). ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9588 "2017-08-08T02:37:50Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Can ZPG Zealot’s well-established sexism be taken to another thread? Yes, she believes in segregating the sexes and slut-shaming women who do not abide by her choices. No, she won’t make any more sense no matter how much you ask. Ditto. Holy crap, people! Enough on this topic! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9589 "2017-08-08T02:42:15Z")
But she’s so much fun to rile up! I mean, I agree, **ThelmaLou**. An entire thread of it would be ever so much fun. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9590 "2017-08-08T02:47:23Z")
Trump is big on the Hire American rhetoric. Apparently prior to hiring foreign workers at Mar a Lago he made every effort to [hire Americans](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/apply-by-fax-before-it-can-hire-foreign-workers-trumps-mar-a-lago-club-advertises-at-home--briefly/2017/08/07/7198576c-792f-11e7-9eac-d56bd5568db8_story.html?utm_term=.a0da59c1cb9d). He went so far as to post a tiny classified ad in the Palm Beach Post asking people to “apply by fax” before resorting to hiring foreigners. To use the visas that he used for these workers, one has to show that they tried to hire Americans, and apparently this counts. This occurred during “Made in America” week for extra irony. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9591 "2017-08-08T03:04:08Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Trump is big on the Hire American rhetoric. Apparently prior to hiring foreign workers at Mar a Lago he made every effort to [hire Americans](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/apply-by-fax-before-it-can-hire-foreign-workers-trumps-mar-a-lago-club-advertises-at-home--briefly/2017/08/07/7198576c-792f-11e7-9eac-d56bd5568db8_story.html?utm_term=.a0da59c1cb9d). He went so far as to post a tiny classified ad in the Palm Beach Post asking people to “apply by fax” before resorting to hiring foreigners. To use the visas that he used for these workers, one has to show that they tried to hire Americans, and apparently this counts. > > This occurred during “Made in America” week for extra irony. Anybody got an old FAX machine? Or I think you can still do it online.:D. Not that phone number is hooked up to anything. Wonder if we can find out? I have an internet connection of .2mbs (yes POINT TWO) so online research is not my strong point. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9592 "2017-08-08T03:12:43Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > . . . I have an internet connection of .2mbs (yes POINT TWO). . . Yikes! I’m sure there’s a CO/ legal marijuana joke there somewhere, but I’ve got the munchies, so I’ll have to get back to you on that. . . ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9593 "2017-08-08T03:12:53Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Anybody got an old FAX machine? Or I think you can still do it online.:D. Not that phone number is hooked up to anything. Wonder if we can find out? > > I have an internet connection of .2mbs (yes POINT TWO) so online research is not my strong point. That’s barely faster than dial-up. :sympathy: ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9594 "2017-08-08T03:17:01Z")
According to a blog on the Palm Beach Post site, the fax number in the ad doesn’t go to a fax. > [@](#): > > Alas, the fax number listed in Trump’s recent help-wanted ads doesn’t ring to a fax line. Three times on Monday, the line answered with a recorded voice saying, “I’m sorry, no one is available to take your call. Thank you for calling. Goodbye.” > **[USA TODAY - Breaking News and Latest News Today](https://www.usatoday.com/)** > > USA TODAY delivers current national and local news, sports, entertainment, finance, technology, and more through award-winning journalism, photos, and videos. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9595 "2017-08-08T03:22:43Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > According to a blog on the Palm Beach Post site, the fax number in the ad doesn’t go to a fax. > > [USA TODAY - Breaking News and Latest News Today](http://realtime.blog.mypalmbeachpost.com/2017/08/07/want-a-seasonal-job-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-club-fire-up-the-fax-but-the-number-doesnt-seem-to-work-realdonaldtrump/) Wow. Big surprise. Did anyone check to see if the mailing address exists? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9596 "2017-08-08T03:39:50Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > In many ways, I find Pence to be a far worse person that Trump. Now don’t get me wrong, Trump is vileness incarnate… > > And Pence has had his back 100%, rolling up his sleeves and reliably casting the 51st vote in the Senate, plugging for the repeal of healthcare, and talking up Trump’s policies. But, the thing is, unlike Trump, Pence is supposed to be at least nominally sane, politically savvy, and somewhat cognizant that an exceedingly slim electoral victory means that there is about 50% of the population that isn’t behind your policies. > > … he’s A-OK with all the batshit lunacy going on. Which means that he has no more business than Trump does to be sitting in the Oval Office. ++. Thank you. I’ve felt like a lone voice speaking against a Trump impeachment or forced resignation. Right now, _Trump’s incompetence_ is the only thing protecting us from the most vile anti-humanity right-wing government in American history. Like it or not, we _need_ him now. :eek: Ideally we want him sitting in the Oval Office hamstrung by Mueller, babbling and tweeting like a head-cut chicken, \*but still occupying the Oval \*at least until after the 2018 elections. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9597 "2017-08-08T04:18:56Z")
Make no mistake, Trump’s agenda is a lot more dangerous than Pence’s. Trump has spent the last 30+ yrs attempting to make his fortune in the business world and blaming regulations for his difficulties and especially for his failures. He’s a genius businessman (just ask him) and the fact that he’s not the richest man in the world is a clear indication to him that economic regulations, both local and global are to blame. Pence’s Moral Majority/Religious conservative agenda may have dire consequences for individual civll liberties, but Trump’s pro business (pro Trump business) jingoist/AMERICA! agenda will have dire consequences to the entire country. As **Ravenman** has pointed out in the[Bernie Sanders thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=832759&highlight=budget+deficit), his policies have the potential for creating an economic nightmare, and he is potentially gearing up for a big war, possibly with NK or ISIL or both. I’ll take the uptight politician over the megalomaniac everyday! mc ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9598 "2017-08-08T04:19:55Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Wow. Big surprise. > Did anyone check to see if the mailing address exists? My internet connection is so bad I can’t really check (working on it). But the mailing address of Mar-a-Largo should be easy enough to find online. And, or figure out what county it’s in and look at the Assessors web site. Probably doesn’t really matter though. Guessing that the address is good and they have a special circular file for such applications. The important thing is that we can’t be complacent and let Trump’s idiocy wear those that can think be worn down. Oddly he has a good defense. There is nothing TO wear down. Just another day in the life of a dull bully. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9599 "2017-08-08T04:38:23Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > My internet connection is so bad I can’t really check (working on it).\*\* But the mailing address of Mar-a-Largo should be easy enough to find online. > \*\* > And, or figure out what county it’s in and look at the Assessors web site. Probably doesn’t really matter though. Guessing that the address is good and they have a special circular file for such applications. > > The important thing is that we can’t be complacent and let Trump’s idiocy wear those that can think be worn down. Oddly he has a good defense. There is nothing TO wear down. Just another day in the life of a dull bully. Looks like the address is an employment agency or such. Wanna bet the applications are never picked up or “lost”? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9600 "2017-08-08T04:47:45Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Looks like the address is an employment agency or such. Wanna bet the applications are never picked up or “lost”? No doubt. And just another pebble in Trump’s bucket full of shady business. Which at this point probably means nothing considering the boulders that will eventfully roll over him. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9601 "2017-08-08T07:14:55Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > That’s theoretically possible, I suppose, but would rather lengthen this process and make it quite a bit harder. This is about penises, right? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9602 "2017-08-08T08:11:13Z")
Well, it\* wasn’t\*. Until now. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2017, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9603 "2017-08-08T09:15:19Z")
If it were, Trump would get away with it under the principle of _De minimis non curat lex_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=479) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=481)