# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 484
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9664 "2017-08-09T15:06:57Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > That’s not what Gorka said. He said two things: > > 1. his rule of thumb is that initial report is false. That’s a pretty good rule of thumb - initial reports are often wrong. > 2. there was a “series” of false hate crime reports. Unless you think that “dozens” is not a “series”, that’s correct. Being skeptical of a first report is fine. Did Gorka bother reading any\* second\* reports before voicing his opinion? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9665 "2017-08-09T15:45:38Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Would you like a list of hoax “hate crimes” that were found to be committed by leftists? How many would you like? If it is _that_ pervasive, you should start an ongoing thread listing all the numerous false-flag “hate crimes”. Link to it here. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9666 "2017-08-09T15:51:04Z")
As the saying goes, “when you hear hoofbeats think horses, not zebras”. When somebody throws a bomb at a mosque think hate crime, not false-flag operation. Unless you’re Gorka. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9667 "2017-08-09T15:57:20Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Maybe if he had his wife deliver the “Drugs are bad” message it would work. Especially if she wears a smart red suit. That would be super-convincing to the young people. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9668 "2017-08-09T15:59:35Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > That entire interview is amazing: Gorka is doing his Ultra-Belligerently Supercilious act while utterly failing to make a lick of sense. As the hosts said, Trump could choose to say ‘it’s a sad day when a house of worship is attacked’—but won’t, because, you know, it’s _Muslim_ worship. When called on this, Gorka just doubles down on his derisive sneering. Gorka is a racist and a Nazi. Of course he will call this a liberal false flag op. And cheer the bastards who did it. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9669 "2017-08-09T16:03:11Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > As the saying goes, “when you hear hoofbeats think horses, not zebras”. When somebody throws a bomb at a mosque think hate crime, not false-flag operation. Unless you’re Gorka. ETA: And Okrahoma is now off on a quest to prove to us that zebras exist. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9670 "2017-08-09T16:13:45Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > I have expected him to break into… _“and I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.”_ > > This just in: North Korea has responded to Trump by threatening a strike on Guam. > > [http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/08/politics/north-korea-considering-guam-strike-trump/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/08/politics/north-korea-considering-guam-strike-trump/index.html) The NY Times is reporting that Trump’s “fire and fury” statement was ad-libbed, and caught his aides by surprise. I’m not buying it for a minute. “Fire and fury” is too poetic for Trump. If he had ad-libbed a pertinent remark, it would have been along the lines of “we’ll bomb the shit ouf of 'em.” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9671 "2017-08-09T16:19:07Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Yeah! Lee’s see… what would be a good slogan for her to use? How about, “Just say no”? That will work for sure. “Just say no, again” ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9672 "2017-08-09T16:23:27Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > ETA: And Okrahoma is now off on a quest to prove to us that zebras exist. As I said, since I can give a few dozen references to such hoax hate crimes committed by leftists (just in the last year alone, most probably), and no one in this thread will care, why should I bother? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9673 "2017-08-09T16:27:13Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > As I said, since I can give a few dozen references to such hoax hate crimes committed by leftists (just in the last year alone, most probably), and no one in this thread will care, why should I bother? But nobody cares about anything you ever post, so why stop now? ---
**Author:** ![Anny\_Middon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Anny\_Middon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anny_Middon)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9674 "2017-08-09T16:34:49Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > As I said, since I can give a few dozen references to such hoax hate crimes committed by leftists (just in the last year alone, most probably), and no one in this thread will care, why should I bother? I’m interested. A few dozen hate crimes within the last year, reported in the media, that later were proven to be fakes. Proven to be fake means statement by law enforcement, with cites of course. (I.e., no Alex Jones style ramblings about such laughable contentions as Sandy Hook never happened.) ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9675 "2017-08-09T16:42:59Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > As I said, since I can give a few dozen references to such hoax hate crimes committed by leftists (just in the last year alone, most probably), and no one in this thread will care, why should I bother? Congratulations; you’ve discovered a few dozen zebras hiding in a herd of 5,461 (FBI statistics for 2014) horses. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9676 "2017-08-09T16:51:10Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > I’m interested. A few dozen hate crimes within the last year, reported in the media, that later were proven to be fakes. Proven to be fake means statement by law enforcement, with cites of course. (I.e., no Alex Jones style ramblings about such laughable contentions as Sandy Hook never happened.) Ok - hey, if I can educate even one person, it’s worth it: [number 1](http://www.richmond.com/news/local/central-virginia/tri-cities/petersburg/court-records-ex-petersburg-city-attorney-made-phony-call-to/article_08a33542-2a0c-5ea3-a59c-614b31a735f7.html) [number 2](http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2017/06/23/woman-suspected-arson-des-moines-mosque/423610001/) [Number 3](http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/charges-dropped-man-accused-anti-gay-hate-crime-msg-article-1.3039699) [Number 4](http://pix11.com/2017/05/27/queens-college-student-recants-story-about-being-robbed-threatened-by-masked-men-police-sources/) [Number 5](http://auburnpub.com/news/local/police-woman-falsely-accused-trooper-of-making-racial-slurs-in/article_58e82605-1a18-54d7-adb1-ac57ea46f2c5.html) [Number 6](http://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/crime/2017/04/13/feds-black-man-posed-racist-sent-threatening-letters/100276098/) [Number 7](http://www.startribune.com/st-olaf-report-of-racist-note-on-black-student-s-windshield-was-fabricated/421912763/) [Number 8](http://www.theindychannel.com/news/crime/pc-church-organist-who-reported-vandalism-was-actually-the-one-who-did-it) [Number 9](http://www.tribstar.com/news/isu-professor-arrested-accused-of-making-up-threats-and-attack/article_c7ca5b60-26d9-11e7-a35a-0f3c7868f652.html) [Number 10](http://wfae.org/post/hate-crime-white-america-leads-black-mans-arrest-fatal-stabbing-north-charlotte) [Number 11](http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446041/college-diversity-council-admits-posting-fake-racist-flyers-campus) [Number 12](http://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ssf/2017/03/jewish_man_arrested_after_spray_painting_swastikas_on_his_own_home_in_upstate_ny.html) [Number 13](http://amp.mlive.com/v1/articles/20274103/ann_arbor_woman_pleads_guilty_1.amp) [Number 14](http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/03/anti-trump-communist-arrested-for-jewish-community-center-bomb-threats/) All this just from March until now. 5 months or so. And only the ones I know of, not all of them, definitely. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9677 "2017-08-09T16:53:29Z")
It’s not that they’re thinking that the horses are zebras. They’re trying to make people think that the “false flag” attacks _are_ the horses. Don’t know if this is part of some “grander” strategy or just bull shit for bull shits sake. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9678 "2017-08-09T17:13:37Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > If we saw “measured responses that were delayed until all the facts were in” every time someone Muslim committed a crime I might believe you. If they hadn’t repeatedly invented ‘muslim terrorist events’, too. (Montreal, Bowling Green, Sweden, the list goes on.) ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9679 "2017-08-09T17:16:53Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Ok - hey, if I can educate even one person, it’s worth it: > > [number 1](http://www.richmond.com/news/local/central-virginia/tri-cities/petersburg/court-records-ex-petersburg-city-attorney-made-phony-call-to/article_08a33542-2a0c-5ea3-a59c-614b31a735f7.html) > > [number 2](http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2017/06/23/woman-suspected-arson-des-moines-mosque/423610001/) > > [Number 3](http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/charges-dropped-man-accused-anti-gay-hate-crime-msg-article-1.3039699) > > [Number 4](http://pix11.com/2017/05/27/queens-college-student-recants-story-about-being-robbed-threatened-by-masked-men-police-sources/) > > [Number 5](http://auburnpub.com/news/local/police-woman-falsely-accused-trooper-of-making-racial-slurs-in/article_58e82605-1a18-54d7-adb1-ac57ea46f2c5.html) > > [Number 6](http://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/crime/2017/04/13/feds-black-man-posed-racist-sent-threatening-letters/100276098/) > > [Number 7](http://www.startribune.com/st-olaf-report-of-racist-note-on-black-student-s-windshield-was-fabricated/421912763/) > > [Number 8](http://www.theindychannel.com/news/crime/pc-church-organist-who-reported-vandalism-was-actually-the-one-who-did-it) > > [Number 9](http://www.tribstar.com/news/isu-professor-arrested-accused-of-making-up-threats-and-attack/article_c7ca5b60-26d9-11e7-a35a-0f3c7868f652.html) > > [Number 10](http://wfae.org/post/hate-crime-white-america-leads-black-mans-arrest-fatal-stabbing-north-charlotte) > > [Number 11](http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446041/college-diversity-council-admits-posting-fake-racist-flyers-campus) > > [Number 12](http://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ssf/2017/03/jewish_man_arrested_after_spray_painting_swastikas_on_his_own_home_in_upstate_ny.html) > > [Number 13](http://amp.mlive.com/v1/articles/20274103/ann_arbor_woman_pleads_guilty_1.amp) > > [Number 14](http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/03/anti-trump-communist-arrested-for-jewish-community-center-bomb-threats/) > > All this just from March until now. 5 months or so. And only the ones I know of, not all of them, definitely. Regarding your cite #2: I see nothing stating that anyone claimed it was a hate crime until the cops said it didn’t appear to be one. In order for it to be a false hate crime, someone would have to have said it was a hate crime, and then it would have to proven otherwise. If a member of that mosque said it was a hate crime, then been shown to have perpetrated the incident, it would fit the criteria. I’m not saying you’re wrong; just that it wasn’t stated in the article, unless I missed it. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9680 "2017-08-09T17:19:56Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Ok - hey, if I can educate even one person, it’s worth it: > > [number 1](http://www.richmond.com/news/local/central-virginia/tri-cities/petersburg/court-records-ex-petersburg-city-attorney-made-phony-call-to/article_08a33542-2a0c-5ea3-a59c-614b31a735f7.html) > > [number 2](http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2017/06/23/woman-suspected-arson-des-moines-mosque/423610001/) > > [Number 3](http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/charges-dropped-man-accused-anti-gay-hate-crime-msg-article-1.3039699) > > [Number 4](http://pix11.com/2017/05/27/queens-college-student-recants-story-about-being-robbed-threatened-by-masked-men-police-sources/) > > [Number 5](http://auburnpub.com/news/local/police-woman-falsely-accused-trooper-of-making-racial-slurs-in/article_58e82605-1a18-54d7-adb1-ac57ea46f2c5.html) > > [Number 6](http://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/crime/2017/04/13/feds-black-man-posed-racist-sent-threatening-letters/100276098/) > > [Number 7](http://www.startribune.com/st-olaf-report-of-racist-note-on-black-student-s-windshield-was-fabricated/421912763/) > > [Number 8](http://www.theindychannel.com/news/crime/pc-church-organist-who-reported-vandalism-was-actually-the-one-who-did-it) > > [Number 9](http://www.tribstar.com/news/isu-professor-arrested-accused-of-making-up-threats-and-attack/article_c7ca5b60-26d9-11e7-a35a-0f3c7868f652.html) > > [Number 10](http://wfae.org/post/hate-crime-white-america-leads-black-mans-arrest-fatal-stabbing-north-charlotte) > > [Number 11](http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446041/college-diversity-council-admits-posting-fake-racist-flyers-campus) > > [Number 12](http://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ssf/2017/03/jewish_man_arrested_after_spray_painting_swastikas_on_his_own_home_in_upstate_ny.html) > > [Number 13](http://amp.mlive.com/v1/articles/20274103/ann_arbor_woman_pleads_guilty_1.amp) > > [Number 14](http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/03/anti-trump-communist-arrested-for-jewish-community-center-bomb-threats/) > > All this just from March until now. 5 months or so. And only the ones I know of, not all of them, definitely. picked one at random - How the holy fuck does #5 become a ‘false hate crime’ akin to bombing a church/mosque? ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9681 "2017-08-09T17:39:41Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > This is your hair. This is your hair on drugs. That actually made me laugh. A rarity around here. Nice! ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9682 "2017-08-09T17:49:39Z")
FBI raided Paul Manafort’s house back in July. It’s just now making the news, apparently. > **[FBI agents raided Manafort’s home in July](https://thehill.com/homenews/news/345870-fbi-agents-raided-manaforts-home-in-july/)** > > FBI agents late last month conducted a raid at the home of Paul Manafort, President Trump’s former campaign manager.The agents had a search warrant to seize materials from Manafort&… ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9683 "2017-08-09T18:00:20Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > FBI raided Paul Manafort’s house back in July. It’s just now making the news, apparently. > [http://thehill.com/homenews/news/345870-fbi-agents-raided-manaforts-home-in-july](http://thehill.com/homenews/news/345870-fbi-agents-raided-manaforts-home-in-july) I saw that today. How does that not make the news for so long? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=483) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=485)