# The Trump Administration: A Clusterfuck in the Making **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2016, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070 "2016-12-07T00:25:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 486
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9704 "2017-08-09T20:33:44Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > I also grabbed one at random. Some Jewish guy painted swastikas on his own house. It doesn’t have many details, not sure how \*\*Okra \*\*determined him to be a “leftist”. That one may just be mental illness (the man is reported to be a schizophrenic). But it is still a fake hate crime - which is what this was about. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9705 "2017-08-09T20:38:31Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > That one may just be mental illness (the man is reported to be a schizophrenic). But it is still a fake hate crime - which is what this was about. You claim before moving the goalposts was not just about fake hate crimes. Here it is: > [@Okrahoma](#): > > As I said, since I can give a few dozen references to such hoax hate crimes committed by leftists (just in the last year alone, most probably), and no one in this thread will care, why should I bother? ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9706 "2017-08-09T20:39:08Z")
Oh, well, the worst of the fake hate crimes was when Dear Cheeto was actually accused-- ACCUSED-- of making fun of a physically handicapped reporter. Oh! He was just dancing. Clearly! And he was accused by… leftists! Now, I see where this comes from. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9707 "2017-08-09T20:41:22Z")
> [@voltaire](#): > > You claim before moving the goalposts was not just about fake hate crimes. Here it is: … and most of the references are to leftists. Like this one: > **[Anti-Trump Communist Arrested For Jewish Community Center Bomb Threats](https://dailycaller.com/2017/03/03/anti-trump-communist-arrested-for-jewish-community-center-bomb-threats/)** > > A disgraced former reporter was arrested by the Federal Bureau of Investigation Friday for several bomb threats to Jewish Community Centers. or this one: [http://amp.mlive.com/v1/articles/20274103/ann\_arbor\_woman\_pleads\_guilty\_1.amp](http://amp.mlive.com/v1/articles/20274103/ann_arbor_woman_pleads_guilty_1.amp) or this one: > **[College ‘Diversity Council’ Admits to Posting Fake Racist Flyers On Campus |...](https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/03/college-diversity-council-admits-posting-fake-racist-flyers-campus/)** > > Gustavus Adolphus College students thought posting a fake racist flyer would “educate” people about bias incidents. etc etc. It is kinda funny how “random picks” of the nitpickers never hit those links eh? ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9708 "2017-08-09T20:42:29Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Yeah, umm, this is deserving of the strongest pitworthy language possible. I would say _fuck Gorka up the ass sideways with two hedgehogs_, but he would like that too much I suspect. > So, instead, I will ask him, “Cite?” To be fair to the hosts of that show,\* they were confronting Gorka throughout the interview. With Gorka, though, basically every sentence contains a dozen false claims, underhanded inferences, and fallacious conclusions. There’s no way to confront him about all of them. > [@SteveG1](#): > > Gorka is a racist and a Nazi. Of course he will call this a liberal false flag op. And cheer the bastards who did it. You have to wonder about someone like that: does he genuinely hold in his head both thoughts (‘huzzah for the brave anti-Muslim patriots who attacked that mosque’ _and also_ ‘damned Muslims probably ginned this up themselves for the publicity’)…? My guess is ‘no’–he probably knows it was a genuine hate crime (and applauds it). It’s just too delicious for him to resist going on TV and implying that ‘the damned Muslims probably ginned this up themselves’. Truly a loathsome piece of work, our little Mr. Gorka. \*[https://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-anchors-confront-gorka-over-why-trump-hasnt-commented-on-mosque-bombing/](https://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-anchors-confront-gorka-over-why-trump-hasnt-commented-on-mosque-bombing/) ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9709 "2017-08-09T21:01:23Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > … and most of the references are to leftists. Like this one: > [Anti-Trump Communist Arrested For Jewish Community Center Bomb Threats | The Daily Caller](http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/03/anti-trump-communist-arrested-for-jewish-community-center-bomb-threats/) > > or this one: > [http://amp.mlive.com/v1/articles/20274103/ann\_arbor\_woman\_pleads\_guilty\_1.amp](http://amp.mlive.com/v1/articles/20274103/ann_arbor_woman_pleads_guilty_1.amp) > > or this one: > [College ‘Diversity Council’ Admits to Posting Fake Racist Flyers On Campus | National Review](http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446041/college-diversity-council-admits-posting-fake-racist-flyers-campus) > etc. It is kinda funny how “random picks” of the nitpickers never hit those links eh? !!! Those citations do not inspire confidence. But since you don’t seem to know what a “false-flag operation” actually _is_: It is a _political_ act, carried out with the express purpose of framing a _political_ opponent. It is not a confused or mentally-ill or malicious person committing an act, and then trying to escape responsibility for that act. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9710 "2017-08-09T21:08:53Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Truly a loathsome piece of work, our little Mr. Gorka. Also, it appears Gorka is something of an academic and professional fraud: [Sebastian Gorka’s Dissertation, Part I](http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/02/sebastian-gorkas-dissertation-part-i) > [@](#): > > Nonetheless, I did read the dissertation last night. Members of the Lawyers, Guns and Money community have asked for my opinion. I would not characterize it as a work of scholarship. I am confident that it would not earn him a doctorate at any reputable academic department in the United States. Indeed, it would be unacceptable as an undergraduate thesis for the Department of Government or the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University. My guess is that Gorka wanted to call himself “Doctor,” and his PhD-granting institution was happy to oblige. Search Google Images for “gorka dissertation diagram” to see examples of his insightful research. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9711 "2017-08-09T21:12:51Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > !!! Those citations do not inspire confidence. > > But since you don’t seem to know what a “false-flag operation” actually _is_: It is a _political_ act, carried out with the express purpose of framing a _political_ opponent. Neither I nor Gorka mentioned anything about “false flag operations”. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9712 "2017-08-09T21:21:11Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > Holy Cow! These people are nuts! I checked 11, 13, and 14. 11 seems a little bogus - a diversity council posting flyers to (in their words) foster discussion. Poor taste but not a hate crime. 13 and 14 are actually legit cites, though. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9713 "2017-08-09T21:23:55Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Neither I nor Gorka mentioned anything about “false flag operations”. Hahaha! Search “false flag” and the 2nd and 3rd hits on the page will be articles about Gorka having claimed that the Bloomington mosque attack was a false flag operation. Here’s that second hit: > **[Sebastian Gorka Thinks That the Mosque Attack May Have Been a False Flag](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/08/gorka-thinks-the-mosque-attack-may-have-been-a-false-flag.html)** > > This is why Trump hasn’t condemned the attack. You are leaning on a reed of straw if you think the fact that Gorka didn’t use the phrase “false flag” is any defense: > [@](#): > > “We’ve had a series of crimes committed — alleged hate crimes by right-wing individuals in the last six months — that turned out to actually have been propagated by the left.” —Gorka, in the Velshi & Ruhle interview previously cited Reed of straw, dude. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9714 "2017-08-09T21:30:00Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Also, it appears Gorka is something of an academic and professional fraud: > > [Sebastian Gorka’s Dissertation, Part I](http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/02/sebastian-gorkas-dissertation-part-i) > > Search Google Images for “gorka dissertation diagram” to see examples of his insightful research. Wow, that _is_ pathetic. (The “peacekeeping/thermonuclear war” one is particularly ridiculous.) Full of it, apparently, our boy. Or IQ-challenged. Or possibly both. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9715 "2017-08-09T22:09:10Z")
While were on Gorka, here’s a good run-down about three months ago from Samantha Bee on the [Trump Whisperer](https://youtu.be/398HJb0_PFg?t=21) (which I thought was supposed to be Bannon!) ETA: whoa gross - nice phrase: “on Gorka” aw duuuuude are you on gorka or WHAT? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9716 "2017-08-09T23:20:38Z")
[Fustercluck](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/345945-inflatable-chicken-resembling-trump-placed-near-white-house). ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9717 "2017-08-09T23:27:12Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > That one may just be mental illness (the man is reported to be a schizophrenic). But it is still a fake hate crime - which is what this was about. No, _this_ is about **Clustertrump**. I suggested > [@eschereal](#): > > If it is _that_ pervasive, you should start an ongoing thread listing all the numerous false-flag “hate crimes”. Link to it here. Good luck. but you are a slimy spineless worm that lacks the courage and confidence to put yourself on the line and start a whole thread about fake hate crimes. Instead, you cower in this thread, polluting it with your simpering useless bullshit and ignorance. I am saving the hedgehogs for _you_. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9718 "2017-08-09T23:37:21Z")
You quoted from Gorka: > [@Sherrerd](#): > > “We’ve had a series of crimes committed — alleged hate crimes by right-wing individuals in the last six months — that turned out to actually have been propagated by the left.” —Gorka, in the Velshi & Ruhle interview previously cited > [Gorka Thinks the Mosque Attack May Have Been a False Flag](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/gorka-thinks-the-mosque-attack-may-have-been-a-false-flag.html) I don’t see the words “false” or “flag” there. Do you? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2017, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9719 "2017-08-09T23:43:40Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > You quoted from Gorka: > > I don’t see the words “false” or “flag” there. Do you? Do you understand the meaning of “false flag” and how that meaning is basically right in that passage? “We’ve had a series of crimes committed — alleged hate crimes by right-wing individuals in the last six months — that turned out to actually have been propagated by the left.” That is the actual meaning of the phrase “false flag”. Right there. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9720 "2017-08-10T00:50:40Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > You quoted from Gorka: > > I don’t see the words “false” or “flag” there. Do you? Well, you don’t have the words, “Deliberately Obtuse” tattooed on your forehead, but I think we can all make an accurate inference. ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9721 "2017-08-10T01:18:00Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So why is the Howling Yam still at his resort and why have the two-faced weasels Kasich and Cruz been silent? Every time you say _Howling Yam_ my brain goes to the Yodeling Potato from the _Dexter_ books. If one doesn’t know what that fictional thing is, I would recommend not googling it because it’s NSFLife. And yet, while it’s fictional, a Yodeling Potato would still be more coherent than anyone in the Trump administration. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9722 "2017-08-10T01:24:21Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > Every time you say _Howling Yam_ my brain goes to the Yodeling Potato from the _Dexter_ books. If one doesn’t know what that fictional thing is, \*\*I would recommend not googling it because it’s NSFLife. > \*\* > And yet, while it’s fictional, a Yodeling Potato would still be more coherent than anyone in the Trump administration. _yields to temptation_ AAAAAACCCCCCKKKKKKK!!! ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070/9723 "2017-08-10T01:33:33Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Do you understand the meaning of “false flag” and how that meaning is basically right in that passage? > > “We’ve had a series of crimes committed — alleged hate crimes by right-wing individuals in the last six months — that turned out to actually have been propagated by the left.” > > That is the actual meaning of the phrase “false flag”. Right there. not according to **Sherrerd** ’s definition upthread. That is: “It is a political act, carried out with the express purpose of framing a political opponent.” Those were fake hate crimes that I cited. “alleged hate crimes by right-wing individuals in the last six months — that turned out to actually have been propagated by the left” - well, some a couple were just by mentally ill people. Whether they were “political acts arried out with the express purpose of framing a political opponent” is debatable, some were, some were not. But Gorka was not talking specifically about “false flag” operation. At least not the way it is defined by **Sherrerd**. Maybe he’ll come back and re-define it for us to make what Gorka said fit? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=485) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-trump-administration-a-clusterfuck-in-the-making/774070.md?page=487)